I don't usually do this, but it's about public health and this site is getting a lot of press and HOLY !*#$ WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE REACT COMMUNITY!?: https://www.webpagetest.org/result/200419_RQ_7d92404e9fc558919d13effd65fde874/ …
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Replying to @slightlylate
I think addressing an issue with a more compassionate delivery would’ve been a bit better. Especially to the people outside of the React team, those who are also contributing to that open source and working hard to help deliver out of the kindness of their hearts
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I hear you, and that's my usual tack...but the hour is late. A pervasively unusable web is leading to this being the last generation of web dev: https://player.vimeo.com/video/364402896 Despite years of begging, the React community and it's leaders center developers over users.
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Replying to @slightlylate @TaelurAlexis
Now Alex, you know this is not accurate, even in this thread we see that - Gatsby supports no-JS - NextJS will soon support no JS & better progressive loading of JS - The React core team are building Suspense to improve things further. Best to avoid absolute statements
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Replying to @chofter @TaelurAlexis
If what you're saying is "there is potential that this ship could turn", I agree! And I've agreed at every single moment from when I got so frustrated that I had to give a talk like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZvq3nodf4 … ...and still, failure rates of React sites have not decreased.
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Replying to @slightlylate @TaelurAlexis
What do you say to the proposal that browser vendors do an inventory of the most common components in open source (pick, say, 10) and build them into the platform? Obviate the need for frameworks for 90% of use cases. Multi select, simple charts etc
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Replying to @chofter @TaelurAlexis
I am a fan of extending the platform to integrate userland needs....but this has also been my biggest professional failure: I helped push classes, promisies, and other improvements over the line only to see developers (*cough* React *cough*) care more for OldIE than users
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Replying to @slightlylate @TaelurAlexis
Is anyone driving this? What end user facing component has been added in the last 10 years? Why do custom date pickers even exist?I just hand built yet another multi select component, & don’t get me started on dynamic lists again.... Can we aim for 5 new components a year?
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Replying to @chofter @TaelurAlexis
One of the great things about the edge team joining us in Chromium has been folks like
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Respectfully Alex, what this says to me is Google hasn’t prioritized improving the web to not need frameworks. Your adversarial position hurts more than it helps. How about you get the YouTube team to improve accessibility instead of berating web developer communities?
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Hey Marcy, I'm deeply disappointed by Google's failures too -- devtools don't tell you a thing is going to be bad w/o you hunting for it, e.g. -- but YT a11y is usually orthogonal to perf aspects of accessibility. If you have a11y issues that need an advocate, tho, tag me in!
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