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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Ben‏ @sangster Apr 19
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      That’s really heartening to hear! I’d love to see you writing about or tweeting about those stories, rather than shaming people. There’s enough awfulness going around right now. Why not choose to champion the good things and set an example people can aspire to?

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 19
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      There's an asymmetry here: I don't post most of what I see to spare folks embarrassment; it's rare that folks want the before/after comparison public. I make exceptions for public sector work as we're all paying for that...but you should know that brokenness is now pervasive.

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    3. Ben‏ @sangster Apr 19
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      I guess what I’m saying in this case is that Etsy (for example) has perf problems, but we know it and we’re working hard on it. If this kind of tweet came out about our site, I’d be embarrassed, angry, and hurt. I wouldn’t be _more_ motivated.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 19
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      That's why it's so damned rare that I post these. This was just a wildly egregious example at the end of a long week of egregious examples.

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    5. Ben‏ @sangster Apr 19
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      It seems like you’re saying that this was a bad example, and by calling it out you got a good result — folks are reaching out to get help. What I’m saying is that by going at it this way, you’re fundamentally excluding plenty of people who might otherwise have wanted to as well.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 19
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      I've been at this a long, long time now, and I'm oscillating in approach as a result. I tried to warn everyone; to educate about the networks and devices: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZvq3nodf4 … ...didn't work...

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 19
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      I've tried working (more or less) quietly in the background with dozens and dozens of teams. Often has a good point effect, but can regress and change is only as lasting as management is stable.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 19
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      Have tried to get support for prophylactic, opt-in limits: https://github.com/slightlyoff/never_slow_mode … Not much success there either.

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    9. Ben‏ @sangster Apr 19
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      How is blaming the entire React community a good solution? How does that help you help people? Even you seem to admit that performance regressions after you helped were more about management than developers.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 19
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      The disasters are reliably react (and npm + webpack) affairs and the React community continually venerates the developer (rather than user) experience. You get what you reward.

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      React thought leaders aren't pushing on these issues and FB isn't leading on them (despite persistent pleas). Other communities value speed and the results are different.

      7:05 PM - 19 Apr 2020
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        1. Ben‏ @sangster Apr 19
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          Etsy didn’t have webpack until 6 months ago and we’re still in the process of migrating deps from pasted files to yarn. Let me tell you, webpack and npm may cause some problems, but blaming them is lazy. React certainly can cause some bundle problems, but they can be fixed.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Apr 19
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          It is *technically* true that React "isn't the problem", but its community is *culturally* culpable. Trickle-down DX doesn't work any better than trickle-down economics did. You have to center the user.

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          There are alternatives with very small runtime footprints like Svelte. Why don't you promote those instead? JS is here to stay. There is no point trying to fight that. People won't go back to static PHP style websites from the early 2000s.

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