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    Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 18
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    The incredible amounts of time & money I see teams spending to dig their way out of the Modern Frontend -- the Gordian Webpack, the TTFB-destroyed-by-SSR-that-was-added-"for performance" dance, the staffing needed to just measure how busted it is -- really saddens me

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      2.  🦠 😷 🦠Bret 🏜 👶 🚙‏ @bcomnes Mar 18
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        whats your ideal alternative? if you had to roll a new frontend today, what stack would you use?

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 18
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        First and foremost, something that doesn't make adding JS feel cost-free. Next, something that's penny-pinching on bytes for most users. Lastly, something that plays well with incremental loading options. There are a few stacks that do a good job of this today (contd.):

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      2. Erik Isaksen‏ @eisaksen Mar 18
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        Totally agree. What is the way out of you are stuck on that stack? A rewrite is usually not an option. The more time goes by the harder it is to get out. It’s like to fix the problem you have to add more js on top of js. It’s something I’m still trying to figure out

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 18
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        My best hope today is "RedactJS": go full-SSR, strip out all client-side JS from the payload, and then only re-add JS via module/no-module and web components (via Lit, Stencil, etc.) that are vended by a smaller group in the org: https://philipwalton.com/articles/using-native-javascript-modules-in-production-today/ …

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      2. Noam Rosenthal‏ @realnoam Mar 19
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        This hits home as I've spent a lot of time and energy in previous years on SSR-ing React and performance debugging. It brought great benefits, but at huge development costs. I agree it's sad... still thinking about alternatives in days where single-page navigation is the norm.

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 19
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        I disagree with the premise. SPA nav *isn't the norm* on most of the apps I see that have bit off on these tools. Might be in your case, but that's the minority in my experience. And nobody is looking at interaction depth to justify these tech choices. *Nobody*.

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      2. Taylor Hunt‏ @tigt_ Mar 18
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        How bad have you seen it get?

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 19
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        I've seen teams spend as much on remediation as they did on development in the first place, meanwhile feature development grinds to a halt.

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