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    Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 12
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    NPM makes this too easy. In the Olden Days (TM) there was friction to adding dependencies, and that was a good thing. Should NPM/Yarn/Pika be trying to add that friction back for frontend deps?https://twitter.com/manucorporat/status/1238060400618409985 …

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    Manu Mtz.-Almeida @manucorporat
    Replying to @RomanSndlr
    Working hard to make the whole @stenciljs runtime to be under 5KB, then a lot of users importing lodash by default, just to know if an object is an object 😂 pic.twitter.com/8AmcxX8uNr
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      2. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo Mar 13
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        Whenever somebody says "it was better when this was harder to do" it sounds like gatekeeping to me.

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 13
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        Some industries have standards for reasons related to the human propensity to externalize costs onto those least able to bear them. I think about this a lot.

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      1. Veikko Eeva‏ @veikkoeeva Mar 12
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        Now thinking of it, having performance and size budgets baked into @OpenWc (and have @____lighthouse bundled) or having @RollupJS samples widely available (haven't seen one) would go some way making bringing issues into attention.

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      1. Dennis Martin Herbers‏ @D2KX_ Mar 12
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        No, but bundlers etc. should, by default, shame users into bundling too much shit into their production builds. Angular has introduced size budgets recently.

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      1. Morgan Roderick‏ @mrgnrdrck Mar 12
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        Or a postInstall banner in lodash pointing to https://youmightnotneed.com/lodash/ , which explains that you probably don't need it ... and if you do, you don't need all of it. #tongueincheek

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      1. Reid Greer‏ @jreidgreer Mar 12
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        IMO no. We should be trying to increase visibility of dependency impact. Things like webpack-bundle-analyzer should ship with frameworks automatically. It should be a give. That front-end CI pipelines should track bundle size regression.

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      1. Pres. Skroob's password manager's abandoned dreams‏ @mvsamuel Mar 12
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        Making adding tracked dependencies harder without making inlining dependencies even harder, makes patching dependencies with known vulns hard.

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      1. fks‏ @FredKSchott Mar 13
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        I have so many thoughts about this. Unbundled apps via Snowpack are close to what you’re describing. From experience: It’s SO MUCH easier to debug perf when you can see how a slow import affects the network tab (vs the usual: “well I guess now the big JS blob file is bigger”)

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      2. Ronanfitz‏ @Ev1l_Ash Mar 12
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        Depends on whether they're essential or not surely? Love Lighthouse and network throttling in dev tools btw - shows up where you might consider rolling your own (where possible). So how many actively developed sites are actually carrying unneeded weight is what I mean

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      3. Ronanfitz‏ @Ev1l_Ash Mar 12
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        Also would Chrome not be in a position to have most common packages already installed on clients browser for loading? Or would that be considered playing favourites / warping natural evolution of web development?

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