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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Seth Reid‏ @sethreidnz Mar 11
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      Furthermore do you use safari on desktop? Is it actually good? Do you for some reason want apple to do as little as possible? Why? I don't get your angle here. Defend apple at all costs?

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    2. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      I'm using Chrome right now to talk to you. I tried the Twitter PWA on iOS for a while actually. It was pretty good, but the UX wasn't quite as smooth as the native app. Not because of something iOS did, just because native UI frameworks make building polished apps easier.

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    3. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      My question was what PWA features are still missing on iOS? It's been pretty good recently.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 11
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      Off the top of my head: Nav Preload, storage quota (Safari's is whack), anything worklet based (which is how we will get good UX), push notifications, durable storage, splash screens from manifest...I'm sure I'm forgetting a dozen. Its a huge list, and each one blocks a major org

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    5. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      Is it bad that I’m a web dev and I’ve never even heard of most of those features let alone needed them in a production app? I can’t be the only one... Maybe engine priorities aren’t aligned with web dev needs?

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    6. lil PWA‏ @Justinwillis96 Mar 11
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      Thats totally valid imo, people build different things on the web. I will say though, ive talked to dozens of developers building app experiences on the web and Safari seems to always be the "well, this works everywhere but here" browser. Ive seen this harm the web 1/2

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    7. lil PWA‏ @Justinwillis96 Mar 11
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      to because teams then decide to go native on all platforms just because Safari does not have support for things their PWA needs, even though its in every other browser.

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    8. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      I find it hard to believe that this choice would be made only because Safari didn’t have a few optimizations. You could easily ship a normal web page. There has to be other factors: UX, delivery mechanism, etc.

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    9. lil PWA‏ @Justinwillis96 Mar 11
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      I've seen more devs start to do this, but for apps who have decent sizes of users coming from Safari it becomes an issue, even if Safari is their biggest audience. UX is also an issue because some APIs that allow you to build really nice UX just aren't there in Safari

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    10. lil PWA‏ @Justinwillis96 Mar 11
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      *isn't their biggest audience

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 11
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      The confounding factor in many conversations is that decisionmakers (bosses, CEOs, TLs) often carry iPhones, so even folks making a reasonable, market-based decision have to stare down super difficult tradeoffs to make a privileged minority happy.

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