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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 11
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      The team is so darned small. They're great, but *wildly* understaffed. Apple could solve this by allowing better engines, or by investing reasonably. Doing neither gets you what we'v got: slow rot.

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    2. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      “Better” is subjective, based on your priorities. What in particular do you think is “rotting”? As a web dev, I can’t think of something that I’m excited about using in a real world project that I’m only waiting on Safari to implement. IMO they’ve kept up pretty well.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 11
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      That statement is worryingly circular, and part of how the architecture of control works: by withholding APIs for years, developers don't consider other widely-implemented features "available". We collectively lower our sights in response. Deadweight loss.

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    4. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      Ok, can you point to an example? Thinking back a few years, I can’t remember waiting to use a feature, or at least not for very long.

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    5. Seth Reid‏ @sethreidnz Mar 11
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      Actual PWA support.

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    6. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      What does that even mean?

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    7. Seth Reid‏ @sethreidnz Mar 11
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      That they allow you like I do on Android to use PWAs the same as installed apps. Just like I am right now on Android to talk to you. A simple Google would tell you what a PWA is

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    8. Seth Reid‏ @sethreidnz Mar 11
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      Furthermore do you use safari on desktop? Is it actually good? Do you for some reason want apple to do as little as possible? Why? I don't get your angle here. Defend apple at all costs?

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    9. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      I'm using Chrome right now to talk to you. I tried the Twitter PWA on iOS for a while actually. It was pretty good, but the UX wasn't quite as smooth as the native app. Not because of something iOS did, just because native UI frameworks make building polished apps easier.

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    10. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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      My question was what PWA features are still missing on iOS? It's been pretty good recently.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 11
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      Off the top of my head: Nav Preload, storage quota (Safari's is whack), anything worklet based (which is how we will get good UX), push notifications, durable storage, splash screens from manifest...I'm sure I'm forgetting a dozen. Its a huge list, and each one blocks a major org

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        2. Devon Govett‏ @devongovett Mar 11
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          Is it bad that I’m a web dev and I’ve never even heard of most of those features let alone needed them in a production app? I can’t be the only one... Maybe engine priorities aren’t aligned with web dev needs?

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        3. lil PWA‏ @Justinwillis96 Mar 11
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          Thats totally valid imo, people build different things on the web. I will say though, ive talked to dozens of developers building app experiences on the web and Safari seems to always be the "well, this works everywhere but here" browser. Ive seen this harm the web 1/2

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