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    1. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Awesome findings thanks for sharing!! I'm curious if you've had a chance to maintain a Preact app for awhile. I always try to start with preact, but in every project that ended up being long-lived I've regretted it.

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    2. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Replying to @patrickhulce @PeterssonJesper and

      I always end up getting burned by a subtle inconsistency with react or need some integration later on that it doesn't support and end with wasted days that weren't worth the 40k. That effort if invested elsewhere in the app usually could have had bigger perf wins.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 2
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      Replying to @patrickhulce @PeterssonJesper and

      How much of this would be fixed by starting w/ Preact, in your experience?

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    4. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Replying to @slightlylate @PeterssonJesper and

      These *are* all projects that started with preact. I still think it's valuable to start with and if you never run into its limitations, then great! But thusfar where a very large application was maintained consistently it always seemed to outgrow preact in the end.

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    5. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Replying to @patrickhulce @slightlylate and

      And for that reason I get worried when we pin hopes for improvement on telling existing large and complicated applications to make the switch from React to Preact. (Not saying that's what's happening here, but it feels like I see this advice often enough to get nervous)

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    6. Ward Peeters‏ @wardpeet Mar 2
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      Replying to @patrickhulce @slightlylate and

      Anything you can share? The preact team happily want to make it more consistent

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    7. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Replying to @wardpeet @slightlylate and

      https://github.com/preactjs/preact-router/issues/333 … is a good example of the type of thing I ran into. It's not like preact is doing anything wrong, or I'm trying to knock it. It just has a (very reasonable) tradeoff of performance over feature set and "just works like React".

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    8. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Replying to @patrickhulce @wardpeet and

      And projects that lived long enough I always hit a point where the performance bottlenecks are not really coming from the 40k preact saves me over react, they're coming from my bandwidth to tackle more complicated perf improvements like code splitting, and async UI patterns.

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    9. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Replying to @patrickhulce @wardpeet and

      Dealing with subtleties like this when you already know React takes time away from focusing on those other improvements is all.

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    10. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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      Replying to @patrickhulce @wardpeet and

      It's also just a lot more fun to tackle the impactful perf work, moving things off main thread, splitting bundles, etc than to research befuddling bugs, so a slightly selfish preference involved there too 😁

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 2
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        1. Patrick Hulce‏ @patrickhulce Mar 2
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          Replying to @slightlylate @wardpeet and

          I hope that doesn't mean you'll write off the objective reasons that reach the same conclusion Alex 😛

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