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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 1
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      Has the focus shifted? Admittedly a trailing indicator, but the rate of disasters crossing my desk has not slowed. And I hear more lipservice from the worst offenders than I observe concrete action.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 1
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      I mean, Preact and Lit and Svelte et al are chugging along, doing the good work, and we very much need them. But I don't see the React community, e.g., actually making a turn & observe no real leadership from FB on this.

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    3. Dan Fabulich‏ @dfabu Mar 1
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      Replying to @slightlylate @JoviDeC @SpeedCurve

      Do you have a ranked list of requests for React leadership? e.g. is your top wish to reduce the size of React itself? Or for CRA to do something? (What would you have it do, other than maybe failing production builds with large bundle sizes?)

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 1
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      For years I've been begging for: - guidance re: bundle sizes & mobile in their perf docs - movement on React size - public discussion of what it takes to keep perf in line at FB (pipeline, metrics, etc.) There's more, but that would show minimal interest in the problem.

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    5. Dan Fabulich‏ @dfabu Mar 1
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      “Movement on React size” do you mean “set a goal to be as small as Preact”? If not, how small is “small enough”?

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 1
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      Replying to @dfabu @JoviDeC @SpeedCurve

      Lemmie put it this way: if a dozen other frameworks can do what your tool does in half the size or less, how important is size to you?

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    7. Jovi  🐨‏ @JoviDeC Mar 1
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      I mean there are tradeoffs, essentially missing the synthetic event system can be annoying when supporting older browsers. Imo concurrent doesn't bring a lot to the table for smaller-medium applications

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    8. Dan Fabulich‏ @dfabu Mar 1
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      Replying to @JoviDeC @slightlylate @SpeedCurve

      Yeah, @slightlylate are you saying, “React needs to ditch the synthetic event system”? Or just “React needs to code golf more”? The former is a pretty big request; it wouldn’t be backwards compatible.

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    9. Jovi  🐨‏ @JoviDeC Mar 1
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      I mean I don't even think it's about golfing, their build-step and such are highly optimized. The core-code is very lenient to serving multiple media (browsers, native, consoles, ...) which has a price + react-dom is expensive with synthetic events and probably other minors

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 1
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      Replying to @JoviDeC @dfabu @SpeedCurve

      I'm saying that putting older browsers ahead of a usable mobile web is an explicit directional choice. Legacy could easily be opt-in extra for those that *really* need it. Many ways to skin this cat.

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      And let's get real about the scope of the impact:https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1233225971626467333?s=20 …

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      Alex Russell @slightlylate
      Let's talk about IE 8-10 and JS-first ecosystem priorities for a minute. Statcounter shows IE 8-10, collectively, to represent 0.17% of public browsing. That's right, one sixth of one percent. https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1233217702103150593 …
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