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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 29
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    I have a single, simple message for public-sector website managers and procurement folks: every contract should withhold payment for breeching, say, 100KiB of JS (total). Any vendor that wants to add more than this is should be disqualified.https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1234017844477624321 …

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    Looking at some public sector sites again and let me just say how grateful I am for the sites that only suffer 2008-era incompetence rather than the new, much worse, JS-first variant. Screwing up w/ HTML + images is *so* much better users.
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      2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 29
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        To clarify, this is for first-load and for resident-facing services. Can add nuance about Workers (and SWs), loading more on interaction, etc. as vendors tier up their sophistication. But 100K of JS should be a fine first-pass cutoff.

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 1
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        For the avoidance of doubt: that's 100K of JS *transmitted*, e.g. gzipped. It's much worse if it's a single file, but you can't excuse huge amounts of script across many files. If it matters to the UX, >100K is still too much for public services no matter how it's chunked.

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      2. Mathieu A.‏ @zoontek Feb 29
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        Can we stop AMP then? It's more than that, just preloaded.

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 29
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        I cannot currently recommend AMP for first-party use, but the CDN & Search use it in a (super sophisticated) way that effectively mitigates much of that impact. /cc @kristoferbaxter

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      2. Hemant Jadon‏ @hemantjadonhj Mar 1
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        Replying to @slightlylate

        Hi just out of curiosity what should be the upper limit on the js size (vendor+app) (gzipped/parsed) while using the arguably "fast" frameworks / "libraries"?

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 2
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        The fast ones are now sub-10K. That is, their effective tax rate is below 10% on a 100K budget. Good options include: Lit, Svelte, Preact, Hyper, Skate, Dojo, Angular 8+ivy, and Stencil.

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      2. Christopher Plummer‏ @IntrusionSignal Mar 1
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        Depends on the problems being solved, right?

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      3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Mar 2
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        If it's a resident facing essential servoce, 100K is a *lot* for the marginal device to wait on.

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      2. Michaela Merz‏ @mischmerz Mar 1
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        Setting arbitrary sizes is not helpful at all. I prefer readable and organized script with plenty of comments over "do everything" one liners that nobody understands in a few month.

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      3. Scott van Looy‏ @svanlooy Mar 2
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        That’s entirely what minifies are for.

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