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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 21
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      So let's review how businesses make money: they pick a strategy, market segment, and sell into it w/ an expected margin. Not all business are the same! Some go for reach over price ("make it up in volume"). There are more of these, and they move more volume.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 21
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      Any reach business should reject JS-first out of hand. That is *most businesses*. But let's say that's not our market. We're selling, IDK, Prada handbags or something.

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      This sort of firm sells aspiration. They'll make their highest margins on ultra-luxury goods, but most of *their* volume will also be somewhat down-market. What they care about most is margin. A $50 trinket with 40% gross margin is still a winner. So who is that marginal buyer?

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 21
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      And would a good manager want to lose those sales? (in this scenario, it's "maybe")

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 21
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      There's a lot of strategy, growth projection work, and brand identity wrapped up in answering this. But we don't need to do that work. In basically zero of the teams I've worked with has there *ever* been a hard tradeoff. *NOBODY* is anywhere *near* the richness/reach frontier.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 21
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      In every single case, doing better for everyone does better for the business. Why? Doesn't actually matter. Could be marginal buyer. Could be better service to core market. Does. Not. Matter. The idea we need all this script to deliver richness is a straight-up lie.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 21
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      So who's lying and why? Well, some folks honestly believe this tosh. They've been sold a bill of goods and I feel sorry for the users they're trying to reach. Some are leaning into their priors and are afraid to admit the mountain of evidence that shows lowered lifetime value.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Feb 21
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      That is, very few folks waving the JS flag want to ever talk about or describe the remediation journeys I see so many of. I tip my cap to Aldo for coming (sort of) clean on the work required once you've persistently destroyed your UX with "modern" frontend.

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      *some* folks -- the really dangerous ones -- lie by omission. They'll say "X works for us here at BigCo" without describing necessary lateral investments: perf teams, CIs, size/latency budgets, deep analysis pipelines...and totally separate desktop/mobile/"lite" versions.

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      If they, instead, said "with the appropriate guardrails, X works for us in reaching a subset of our users", it'd be a less compelling sell. Their OSS careers might be hurt. Their tools might not "win". But they'd sleep better, I reckon.

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      The JS community seems to (want to be seen to) care about every sort of diversity except delivering experiences to a diverse set of users. The disconnect turns my stomach.

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        2. Francoo‏ @Francoolaami Feb 22
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          i get your JS is heavy and un-inclusive point but what is a credible alternative for building modern/"snappy" webapps at early stage? Plain text like https://motherfuckingwebsite.com/  ? And when in need of auth + multilanguage + "fetch this data in external API feat" ? (ping @cpclermont)

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        3. Surma‏ @DasSurma Feb 22
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          Preact is a good choice. We used it in http://squoosh.app  and http://proxx.app , both are interactive in under 5s on 2G. Its not about being tiny everywhere. Its about the payload for interactivity being tiny. With react you often lose before the race has begun.

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