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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 28
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      Alex Russell Retweeted Thomas Steiner

      Since 2013 we've been working to enable a more capable web, and tools like this are just the beginning. New permissions UIs and discipline around API design to enable them have been silent enablers.https://twitter.com/tomayac/status/1222310960800595968 …

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      Thomas Steiner @tomayac
      The new Android Flash Tool uses WebUSB so you can flash a new firmware on your Android phone 📲 right from the browser. This is a pretty significant Project Fugu 🐡 API use case. All details in the quoted tweet. ⤵️ https://twitter.com/AndroidDev/status/1222202681688719360 …
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    2. Stephen Shankland‏Verified account @stshank Jan 29
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      Replying to @slightlylate

      WebUSB is one of those APIs that Apple has rejected though, yes? This use case is very Android but what else does it enable?

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    3. Stephen Shankland‏Verified account @stshank Jan 29
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      See for example https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2020-January/031036.html …

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 29
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      We're leading on many APIs via Project 🐡, and my hope is that the counterfactual of "not needing to download unsafe binaries" eventually wins over skeptics once they see we've done it safely & value it delivers. Browsers update faster, and can mediate bad actors better.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 29
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      In terms of uses, think connecting to cameras, printers, programming Arduinos, updating incidentally embedded software (e.g., in headphones), CnC hardware...all the sorts of stuff that used to need custom, OS-specific drivers & software.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 29
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      Replying to @slightlylate @stshank

      @noopkat has been showing what's possible:https://youtu.be/IpfZ8Nj3uiE 

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    7. Stephen Shankland‏Verified account @stshank Jan 29
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      Replying to @slightlylate @noopkat

      Do you think Apple has a fair point about lots of people not being informed or expert enough to handle permissions dialog boxes? I.e. could there be problems with naughty websites doing bad things with your hardware?

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 29
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      Replying to @stshank @noopkat

      This seems to imply a blanket answer to a nuanced problem. We reject the assumption of unsolvability -- after all, Apple seems to believe these things are more than reasonable for native apps -- and instead focus on better patterns. Apple could too if they invested reasonably.

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        2. Stephen Shankland‏Verified account @stshank Jan 29
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          Though Apple's approach with native apps, at least on iOS & iPadOS, is "let's review and approve every app." See also Mac App Store, Chrome Web Store, Google Play. I understand barring WebUSB means native binaries somewhere else, but the web doesn't have a lot of gatekeepers.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 29
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          Thos gets to the heart of the hippocracy: stores are friction over choice, potentially (but not always) backstopped by extra checks. All of that is possible for the web, if needed, but our explorations in 🐡 show that mostly it isn't. Deepest, darkest imagination failure.

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        1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 29
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          Replying to @slightlylate @stshank @noopkat

          Modern browsers take a nuanced approach to "malware" sites, see safebrowsing lists. We don't have to treat the spectrum as black vs. white. For devices, we use "chooser" UIs that put users in more direct control. Not all vs. nothing.

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        2. 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon‏ @HarperMitchell Jan 29
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          This really seems to underestimate how good phishing attacks can be....

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        3. 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon‏ @HarperMitchell Jan 29
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          This isn't a "problem to be solved" but the start of an arms race against phishers

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        2. 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon‏ @HarperMitchell Jan 29
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          Replying to @fugueish @slightlylate and

          黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon Retweeted 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon

          That statement seems too abstract to be useful, for example how does a user know what permissions are granted?https://twitter.com/HarperMitchell/status/1222651974736207872?s=19 …

          黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon added,

          黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon @HarperMitchell
          Replying to @HarperMitchell @slightlylate and 2 others
          The permission model might be more conservative, but I'm just imagining a website saying "set up your phone as a second authentication factor, accept this USB notification on the next page" after which it apparently can attempt to flash firmware, hope my phone is checking sigs
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