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    1. Pier‏ @PierB Jan 24
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      Sometimes I wish we'd had reactivity, data binding, or even a vdom in the browser so that we could save tons of bandwidth and CPU cycles. Then I remember how useless WCs are.

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    2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris Jan 24
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      We actually did at one point! Remember Model-Driven Views and Object.observe? I think they were under the custom elements v0 umbrella

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 24
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      Won't make you guess how they died: Vocal framework authors shouted them down because they weren't perfect in their specific estimation.

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    4. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris Jan 24
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      Citation?

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 24
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      Leading the team at the time.

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    6. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris Jan 24
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      Rich Harris Retweeted Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀

      Wasn't aware of it at the time, and Mike appears to have a different recollection: https://twitter.com/mikesherov/status/1220751454622900227 …. Either way though, I wouldn't necessarily consider this a bad thing — I would expect FW authors to be much closer to the needs and practices of devs than browser makers

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      Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀 @mikesherov
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      Object.observe() got killed by TC39 because you could do it fairly easily with proxies. Chrome even shipped it to get it to Stage 3.
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    7. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov Jan 24
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      My recollection also matches Alex's! I meant that the ultimate reason it was OK to be removed was proxies could do it just fine. But here's the publicly visible horse's mouth on the subject (minus any backroom politics / drama): https://esdiscuss.org/topic/an-update-on-object-observe …

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    8. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov Jan 24
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      Adam Klein had this to say:pic.twitter.com/pO6a1zZU69

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    9. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov Jan 24
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      WebReflection had this to say re: Proxiespic.twitter.com/FpVSDs2HEs

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    10. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris Jan 24
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      Thanks. This seems like a good outcome, honestly — O.o would have made our circa 2011 ideas about how to build UIs easier, but then React schooled us all, demonstrated a superior (IMHO!) programming model, and the platform is simpler as a result

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 24
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      This is so confused. A system for watching mutations doesn't demand you apply updates through the same objects. A system for propogating updates does not require use of mutability. *sigh*

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        2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris Jan 24
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          Alex, don't be disingenuous. The primary motivation for O.o, at least in terms of how it was communicated, was to facilitate easier data-binding as implemented by contemporary frameworks. Once we realised that data-binding was a local maximum, that motivation disappeared

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 24
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          O.o was decoupled from MDV in response to feedback that MDV was "too big" (which, sure, OK). The goal in all of this was to create a world where data updates could flow w/ the component hierarchy. It's not disingenuous that O.o tried to find a bigger audience when extracted.

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        1. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov Jan 24
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          Replying to @slightlylate @Rich_Harris @PierB

          Right, in many ways, O.o could've been leveraged as just a first class way to get event listeners period the end

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