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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      In addition to being entirely unfit for feature development and iteration (that's what incubation proecesses are for), chartered WG stages have near zero predictive value. I tried to outline why in the previous posts, but it seems worth underlining *that* it's true.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      The takeaway for you, as a web developer is this: dissent of one engine (or even multiple) to a proposal requires an *exrtordinary* amount of background info to unpack, let alone judge well. If you are only watching the performative aspects of the pagent, you'll be disempowered.

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    3. Chris Ferdinandi  ⚓️‏ @ChrisFerdinandi Jan 23
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      And yet, we ended up with <toast>

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      You didn't. You ended up with a proposal to prototype toast and gather feedback. Conflating them is, minimum, disingenuous. You're better than that, Chris.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      But what <toast> highlighted, more than anything, was how standards processes are abused by folks looking to distract from their own lack of proposals and leadership. Nobody mounting high horses abt <toast> was volunteering resources to research counter-proposals, IIRC.

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    6. Chris Ferdinandi  ⚓️‏ @ChrisFerdinandi Jan 23
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      If Google implements something that developers can use outside of an official standards process, whether it's "officially released" or not is irrelevant. Chrome feels a lot like the new IE6 in terms of "we just do what we want"

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      You must have missed all of NN 2, 3, and, and 4 then. This also badly misrepresents IE6 vs 5.5 and 4 which were the path-breakers. If anything, 6 was change towards conciliation.

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    8. Jon Lunman‏ @JLunman Jan 23
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      By then the damage was done, and couldn't be undone without breaking tons of existing sites. And so we're *still* dealing with the repercussions 20 years on. This is where the blowback comes from. Call it an overreaction, maybe, but it's not without cause.

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    9. Jon Lunman‏ @JLunman Jan 23
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      Nobody is fetishizing standards for their own sake. It's just honest concern that another powerful company with > 80% market share risks repeating the mistakes of the last one. It's great that Google wants to push the web forward. But some critical pushback is also healthy.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 24
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      "the damage" was that MSFT stopped investing. IE6, on day 0, was *far and away* the world's best browser. It gave us most of today's web development jobs. And you know what? It treated properties and attrs the same. Literally fixed the thing that the standard subsequently broke

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 24
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      Don't get me wrong, it very much overstayed it's welcome, and standards helped clean up the vbscript/ActiveX-caused messes. I worked in Chrome Frame *explicitly* to show it the door. But the rose colored glasses don't help. Did you ever try doing anything in NN4?

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