How Web Standards Work 1. design a flawed API (it's fine! APIs are hard) 2. ship it in the most-used browser, despite objections 3. get cross-browser working group to fix the API 4. oops, too late, that would break the webpic.twitter.com/IuU6Xxzilv
Chrome Project
& Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER
Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her
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How Web Standards Work 1. design a flawed API (it's fine! APIs are hard) 2. ship it in the most-used browser, despite objections 3. get cross-browser working group to fix the API 4. oops, too late, that would break the webpic.twitter.com/IuU6Xxzilv
Hi Rich, I run standards for Chrome. If you'd like to discuss our approach, happy to set up a call.
Would it result in changes to how you do things, so that web developers are spared further episodes like this one?
Episodes of a fairly low-level API making it to almost 1% use in like a year is a gigantic success. Please don't spare us further episodes. Keep doing what you're doing.
Regardless of the number (which needs more context: is the bulk of that accounted for by a single large website? are devs actually using it, or just using libraries that use it?), it is now a zombie feature. That is obviously bad for the web
People are digging in their heels at the moment but heads will eventually cool and compromise is still possible at a later date. It's an unfortunate situation but the "let's debate everything for many years and never really ship anything" is literally killing the web.
I think it's rather dismissive of people's legitimate concerns to suggest that they just need to simmer down
I think it's pretty pessimistic to think that disagreement can never be overcome.
I mean, there’s been no good faith admissions by original champions of Web Components that their design was broken from the start, despite very strong disagreement and pushback.
Someone from the Chrome side saying 'actually, yeah, adoptedStyleSheets *did* turn out to be a bit of a mess. Sorry. Here's how we'll prevent it happening again' would go such a long way
Sorry, was on a flight. This neither captures our position (we introduced a needed optimisation while others dithered and/or didn't do the spec work), nor a reasonable position. But happy to discuss and help outline why that's the case.
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