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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris Jan 23
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      How Web Standards Work 1. design a flawed API (it's fine! APIs are hard) 2. ship it in the most-used browser, despite objections 3. get cross-browser working group to fix the API 4. oops, too late, that would break the webpic.twitter.com/IuU6Xxzilv

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris

      Hi Rich, I run standards for Chrome. If you'd like to discuss our approach, happy to set up a call.

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    3. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris Jan 23
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      Replying to @slightlylate

      Would it result in changes to how you do things, so that web developers are spared further episodes like this one?

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    4. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis Jan 23
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      Serious question: Why would this change “break the web” ? Constructable stylesheets are behind a flag, since they’re non-standard, right? Why can’t they be changed at this point? There’s never an expectation of stability when stuff is behind a flag, right?

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      They're shipped to stable Chrome (and many Chromium embedders enable them too).

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    6. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis Jan 23
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      As the person who runs standards for Chrome, can you please explain how the fuck a non-standard feature got shipped to Stable Chrome?

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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      We often lead, balancing risk/reward rather than demanding a particular point in an arbitrary process. https://www.chromium.org/blink/launching-features … Leadership is rather the point of having an engine team, after all.

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        2. Leah  🧪 🦎 ⚛️‏ @hrmny_ Jan 25
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          Replying to @slightlylate @AdamRackis @Rich_Harris

          Given that chrome has a near monopoly don't you think you should maybe not ship something as stable before other browsers have it to not reinforce the monopoly?

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        3. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers Jan 25
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          FWIW this is how the web has ALWAYS evolved. Almost all APIs we use today we're shipped in the dominant engine prior to a standard being ratified (IE, Netscape, WebKit, now chromium). JavaScript language is a notable and impressive counter-example.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate Jan 23
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          Replying to @slightlylate @AdamRackis @Rich_Harris

          Standards processes are not designed to arbitrate feature quality, and disagreements within standards bodies often bear little overlap with actual developer concerns and are usually silent on deadweight loss costs. So we ask developers for feedback, e.g. through Origin Trials.

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        3. ;-,-,'-; ;=‏ @myfonj Jan 23
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          Replying to @slightlylate @AdamRackis @Rich_Harris

          BTW, does it still hold that to become approved by standards body, feature needs at least two independent and interoperable implementations?

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        2. Dmitrii‏ @dmitriid Jan 23
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          How does an *"experimental feature not adopted by a standards body shipped in a single browser to possibly gather developer feedback with multiple objections to the implementation and the API"* become *"it's a standard now lol"*? Asking for a friend

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        3. Dmitrii‏ @dmitriid Jan 24
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          Another question for a friend: how does this whole issue fit into Part 2 of Effective Standards work? https://infrequently.org/2018/06/effective-standards-work-part-2-threading-the-needle/ …

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        1. Jean-Cédric Huet‏ @BiscuiTech Jan 24
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          I apologize to be this direct, but this is a literal definition of strong arming a conversation. You realize this, do you? The conversation is about standards of the web and you're abusing your position as the leader to secure your future and lock features.

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