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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. вкαя∂εℓℓ‏ @briankardell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @briankardell @fabricedesre and

      I believe that at a minimum, Google deserves some good faith credit here for trying to lay out a whole vision for discussion. Think it could have been presented slightly better, but even if it didn't pan out, big props to @domenic and others for trying hard/starting conversations

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    2. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @briankardell @fabricedesre and

      In retrospect, the pushback against toast was a good sign that any attempts at rallying around standard high-level controls will not succeed. I'm doubtful anyone can overcome that kind of negativity e.g. for accordion.

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    3. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @domenic @briankardell and

      I think when you present something as well-researched as https://github.com/jackbsteinberg/std-toast/tree/master/study-group … and get https://adrianroselli.com/2019/06/scraping-burned-toast.html … in response, browser vendors are going to be very hesitant to invest any time in the controls listed in the OP of this thread.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Dec 2019
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      And to think the drama involved in WC may have been the "easy" path 😔 No responsible platform vendor asks their engineers to take lkml-levels of abuse.

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    5. Dan Fabulich‏ @dfabu 16 Dec 2019
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      I think the wrong lesson may have been learned here. If “Intent to Prototype” naming had been in place from the beginning, I think toast would still be alive today. IMO, this really was 100% about ppl wrongly saying, “Google’s making toast without asking anybody else’s opinion!”

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    6. 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon‏ @HarperMitchell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @dfabu @slightlylate and

      Also, why would "intent to *" ever precede a standards body level discussion? Very confused about that

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    7. 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon‏ @HarperMitchell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @HarperMitchell @dfabu and

      Even "intent to prototype" should have a reference to some standards body level discussion, no?

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    8. Dan Fabulich‏ @dfabu 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @HarperMitchell @slightlylate and

      No. Prototyping is “thinking” in practice. Experiment first, standardize second, every time.

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    9. 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon‏ @HarperMitchell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @dfabu @slightlylate and

      黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon Retweeted 黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon

      I think you are misunderstanding my ask, I merely am suggesting that people be notified of intent to perform an experiment ahead of timehttps://twitter.com/HarperMitchell/status/1206770924755673088?s=19 …

      黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon added,

      黒田 東彦 stan  🚫 🛬 5️⃣-gon @HarperMitchell
      Replying to @dfabu @slightlylate and 7 others
      I'm not suggesting you codify a standard, simply let someone else know your intent
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    10. вкαя∂εℓℓ‏ @briankardell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @HarperMitchell @dfabu and

      That is what it is, conflated in here is what was a poorly named intent status. It has since changed.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @briankardell @HarperMitchell and

      So what? Anyone who cared to look at (public) Blink process could have seen it was super early. Disingenuous arguments from certain quarters didn't care & people got hurt (on my watch). Why would I put anyone back into that situation? Those people haven't apologised.

      7:37 PM - 16 Dec 2019
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