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    1. Bruce Lawson. At home.‏ @brucel 16 Dec 2019
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      Rationale: all design systems have these things. But there's no native HTML way, so we fake it with loads of JS. That needs loads of ARIA. And, unless you really really know what you're doing, it's easy to make things worse with ARIA.

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    2. Bruce Lawson. At home.‏ @brucel 16 Dec 2019
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      The mighty brains of @briankardell, @stevefaulkner, @LeonieWatson and @chaals came up with this interesting proposal a while back https://bkardell.com/common-panel/index.src.html … - time to revive it?

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    3. Fabrice Desré‏ @fabricedesre 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @brucel @briankardell and

      Why not some flavor of a "stdlib" of web components maintained like specs would be? User agents could pre-cache it, update opportunistically, etc.

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    4. вкαя∂εℓℓ‏ @briankardell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @fabricedesre @brucel and

      Google tried to propose a vision forward which was basically this. It made for some good experiments and discussions but I'm not sure that's going forward at all now. There are complex reasons. Nothing is as simple as you'd expect.

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    5. вкαя∂εℓℓ‏ @briankardell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @briankardell @fabricedesre and

      A lot of the background of such can be eventually followed to through discussion and links fromhttps://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/384 …

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    6. вкαя∂εℓℓ‏ @briankardell 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @briankardell @fabricedesre and

      I believe that at a minimum, Google deserves some good faith credit here for trying to lay out a whole vision for discussion. Think it could have been presented slightly better, but even if it didn't pan out, big props to @domenic and others for trying hard/starting conversations

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    7. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @briankardell @fabricedesre and

      In retrospect, the pushback against toast was a good sign that any attempts at rallying around standard high-level controls will not succeed. I'm doubtful anyone can overcome that kind of negativity e.g. for accordion.

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    8. Domenic Denicola‏ @domenic 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @domenic @briankardell and

      I think when you present something as well-researched as https://github.com/jackbsteinberg/std-toast/tree/master/study-group … and get https://adrianroselli.com/2019/06/scraping-burned-toast.html … in response, browser vendors are going to be very hesitant to invest any time in the controls listed in the OP of this thread.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @domenic @briankardell and

      And to think the drama involved in WC may have been the "easy" path 😔 No responsible platform vendor asks their engineers to take lkml-levels of abuse.

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    10. Dan Fabulich‏ @dfabu 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @domenic and

      I think the wrong lesson may have been learned here. If “Intent to Prototype” naming had been in place from the beginning, I think toast would still be alive today. IMO, this really was 100% about ppl wrongly saying, “Google’s making toast without asking anybody else’s opinion!”

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Dec 2019
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      Replying to @dfabu @domenic and

      How about we let another team walk into the firing line and find out? I'm not gonna keep volunteering our people wade into a toxic rhetorical cesspool.

      7:02 PM - 16 Dec 2019
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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 16 Dec 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @dfabu and

          They asked me something to the effect of "we know you said it was going to be near impossible to add to HTML back in '11, but do you think things have died down and it might be safe now?" I regret indicating it might be ok to try w/ enough research to back it up.

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        3. John Teague  🦝‏ @jtteag 16 Dec 2019
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          But need looks well researched to me. And I don't have to have gobs of experience to see why we should resolve with a relatively straightforward element so there's not 9 different ones across a variety of FWs and libraries.

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