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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      I mean, if you're saying "we want syntactic support for a version of HTML that relies on properties", that's doable but a big lift. Size of effort is perhaps part of why JSX crowd continues with fork instead of proposing new parsing mode?

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    2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      > What's missing? Predictability. Consistency between components. The React model is so successful in part because of its obviousness — there's only one way to get data into a component > if you're saying ... I'm not. I think HTML is fine

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      ...but it's HTML that *creates* this split. WC only give you high fidelity access to both sides. If you want property-only components, go nuts! It's all there.

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    4. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      "go nuts, it's all there" is *the whole problem*. When an API is well-designed, there's usually only one way to do something

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Then don't use attributes in your elements! Ignore them! Throw or ignore in post-construction attr changes! Preach the no-semicolon-but-for-components message! WC open up the guts of HTML and DOM. What you do with that power *is up to you*.

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    6. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      And that's the problem. Really don't understand why you're not getting this. But it strikes at the heart of the disconnect between WC and framework camps — frameworks only succeed when the APIs are logical and learnable

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    7. Chris Haynes‏ @lamplightdev 24 Nov 2019
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      So, just for clarity, you would prefer a WC model that doesn't mirror how built in elements behave?

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    8. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      No, I'm not saying that — built-in elements don't give you hooks to respond to changing attributes. I'm saying that if you're designing custom elements, you could do so in a way that doesn't inherit the long standing confusion about attroperties — one of the DOM's worst aspects

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Built-ins absolutely have internal hooks for responding to attributes they are defined to care about. That's what attributeChanged gives you too.

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    10. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Again, Alex, I *could not care less* about the C++ inside browsers. As a component author and consumer that is just not in any way pertinent

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Which is why I keep reiterating that *you don't have to use any of it* if you don't want HTML integration. We opened up DOM and the HTML parser to you, warts and all. Feel free to reject whichever don't serve you!

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        2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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          It's not about the choices I make or reject when writing my own components! It's about navigating the choices made by the authors of every component I ever come across while building an app. Why is this so hard to grok?

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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          It's not! The most interoperable WC work like HTML. There's plenty of space for a sect that rejects some of that interop advantage for other conveniences. They'll need to name this variant for themselves to avoid confusion, tho.

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