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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      We tried a way to unify data passing through DOM hierarchy (MDV); framework community had a *fit*

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    2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @dmitryshimkin and

      But you can imagine an alternate timeline in which we decided (for example) that (for custom elements only), attributes were simply the input value to a function that determined initial properties, and from that point forward weren't treated as an interface

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      What happens when someone calls setAttribute()?

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    4. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @dmitryshimkin and

      if it's a standard HTML attribute like hidden or style, it does exactly what it would do for any other HTML element. But it doesn't trigger some lifecycle callback. If you want to pass new data, you have to set properties on the instance instead. (Not necessarily getters and

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    5. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      setters, because it'd be nice if updates were batched naturally. But similar idea)

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Hidden/style etc absolutely go through a system like attributeChanged inside setAttribute impl in C++ side of DOM

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    7. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      so what?

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      So if you want "what other built-ins do", this is what they do!

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    9. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @dmitryshimkin and

      I think you're missing the point here — there is real confusion caused by the dual interface of attributes and properties. The C++ implementation is utterly irrelevant to me as a component author and consumer

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      I grok the point. That DOM has both is clearly not great! MSFT's DOM was correct (and Netscape/IBM were *super* wrong). But if you want property-only components, or want to only handle attributes up-front, can do that today. What's missing?

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      I mean, if you're saying "we want syntactic support for a version of HTML that relies on properties", that's doable but a big lift. Size of effort is perhaps part of why JSX crowd continues with fork instead of proposing new parsing mode?

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        2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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          > What's missing? Predictability. Consistency between components. The React model is so successful in part because of its obviousness — there's only one way to get data into a component > if you're saying ... I'm not. I think HTML is fine

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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          ...but it's HTML that *creates* this split. WC only give you high fidelity access to both sides. If you want property-only components, go nuts! It's all there.

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