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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @BenDelarre @evilpingwin and

      Rich Harris Retweeted Rich Harris

      If you don't think that supporting this use case is important, or don't understand why WCs fail at it, then I don't think we're going to see eye to eye.https://twitter.com/Rich_Harris/status/1198339672361119745 …

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      Rich HarrisVerified account @Rich_Harris
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      you can't do something like <svg> <x-axis min="2000" max="2019"/> <y-axis min="0" max="100"/> <scatter-plot points="..."/> </svg> because custom elements are HTML by definition (they extend HTMLElement). Totally incompatible
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    2. Dzmitry Shymkin‏ @dmitryshimkin 24 Nov 2019
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      Do React or Angular or VueJS support this?

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    3. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Of course. It's table stakes.

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    4. Dzmitry Shymkin‏ @dmitryshimkin 24 Nov 2019
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      Could you point to any example? I am failing to google anything like this.

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    5. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Here, I just made this for you: https://codesandbox.io/s/priceless-archimedes-4pxxp …. You can do the same thing in basically any non-WC framework, but it's completely impossible with web components

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Agree that SVG not being extensible yet is not great! Proprietary, non-interoperable parallel-tree systems have an advantage until it is. How big that advantage is depends on need to vend SVG sub-elements, ofc.

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    7. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @dmitryshimkin and

      As someone who does what I do for a living, I can tell you that it's absolutely essential. Most WC advocacy appears to be around BigCorp Design System Enterprise Edition, so it's easy to see why this critical use case (met by UI frameworks since at least 2013) was overlooked

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris @dmitryshimkin and

      I don't know who you're arguing against at this point, but the caricature vs. the effort involved in making progress on these issues is doubly exhausting. LMK when you want to put an oar in to help fix.

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    9. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @dmitryshimkin and

      What's exhausting is the suggestion that only those directly contributing to these standards have the right to point out their flaws. If I put an oar in, I'm going to be rowing in a different direction to you, because I think the boat is pointing the wrong way!

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris @dmitryshimkin and

      You're attributing malign or ignorant motivation -- that we didn't look at SVG extensibility (we did; went for HTML first) -- to a situation far more complex than your characterisation. If you spent this effort lobbying Mozilla and Apple for this, it could get done quickly.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      WC feature dev slowed after '16 as we waited for Mozilla and MSFT to catch up. Took their sweet, sweet time. Big new proposals moving faster recently, landing apace: intrinsic role, form participation, :part, etc. SVG (and MathML) extensibility need attention now.

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        2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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          I'm attributing nothing of the sort — I know perfectly well that everyone here is smart and has good intent, and have never — would never — imply otherwise. But here you are again implying it's somehow my responsibility to convince Apple and Mozilla to prioritise these things,

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        3. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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          when I don't need to because I can already do them as long as I avoid WCs! I don't know why it's so hard to say 'these things have some value in the following scenarios, but they currently have some major drawbacks and shouldn't be considered a general solution'.

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