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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @justinformentin @0ndras

      It's simpler than that: if I'm starting a new app today, I can either a) hope that my requirements don't evolve to include SVG components, or b) use tools and practices that don't rely on custom elements

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    2. Ben Delarre‏ @BenDelarre 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris @slightlylate and

      You could use today's tech and build your app. And if your needs expand use the tools you need then. Saying you can't use a new tech today because it doesn't solve all future problems is like saying you can't drive the nail because the hammer doesn't work for screws too!

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    3. pngwn‏ @evilpingwin 24 Nov 2019
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      This is ludicrous. Start with WC and if you end up needing svg support rebuild it all?

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    4. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @evilpingwin @BenDelarre and

      yeah, that's borderline professional negligence. you need to pick technologies that won't paint you into a corner

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    5. Ben Delarre‏ @BenDelarre 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris @evilpingwin and

      Miss the point much? WC do not lock you in at all. Because they are HTML and standards based anything that works with HTML works with WC. Use WCs where it makes sense. When you need more use the appropriate tool. It'll interop with WC because it has to if it supports HTML!

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @BenDelarre @evilpingwin and

      Rich Harris Retweeted Rich Harris

      If you don't think that supporting this use case is important, or don't understand why WCs fail at it, then I don't think we're going to see eye to eye.https://twitter.com/Rich_Harris/status/1198339672361119745 …

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      Rich HarrisVerified account @Rich_Harris
      Replying to @0ndras
      you can't do something like <svg> <x-axis min="2000" max="2019"/> <y-axis min="0" max="100"/> <scatter-plot points="..."/> </svg> because custom elements are HTML by definition (they extend HTMLElement). Totally incompatible
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    7. Dzmitry Shymkin‏ @dmitryshimkin 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris @BenDelarre and

      Do React or Angular or VueJS support this?

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    8. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @dmitryshimkin @BenDelarre and

      Of course. It's table stakes.

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    9. Dzmitry Shymkin‏ @dmitryshimkin 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris @BenDelarre and

      Could you point to any example? I am failing to google anything like this.

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    10. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @dmitryshimkin @BenDelarre and

      Here, I just made this for you: https://codesandbox.io/s/priceless-archimedes-4pxxp …. You can do the same thing in basically any non-WC framework, but it's completely impossible with web components

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Rich_Harris @dmitryshimkin and

      Agree that SVG not being extensible yet is not great! Proprietary, non-interoperable parallel-tree systems have an advantage until it is. How big that advantage is depends on need to vend SVG sub-elements, ofc.

      10:54 AM - 24 Nov 2019
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        2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 24 Nov 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @dmitryshimkin and

          As someone who does what I do for a living, I can tell you that it's absolutely essential. Most WC advocacy appears to be around BigCorp Design System Enterprise Edition, so it's easy to see why this critical use case (met by UI frameworks since at least 2013) was overlooked

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 24 Nov 2019
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          I don't know who you're arguing against at this point, but the caricature vs. the effort involved in making progress on these issues is doubly exhausting. LMK when you want to put an oar in to help fix.

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