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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Dave Rupert‏ @davatron5000 8 Nov 2019
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      #AskChrome We learned this week from Firefox that 99% of users don't accept notification requests, yet I'm still hearing "the Web has to compete with Native". How will you ensure the 103 features on the Fugu roadmap don't end up in the same position as Push Notifications?

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    2. Paul Kinlan‏Verified account @Paul_Kinlan 8 Nov 2019
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      I'll add this to the agenda for the leadership panel - https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeLx2GAturxsSF4GXHOvlYXUJAeO7uDA57XKUdpNqrTN-oFug/viewform?usp=sf_link … - however my understanding from the survey is that 99% is for people being prompted onload, not that 99% don't accept when in context. need to read again though.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Nov 2019
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      I think that's the correct understanding. @beverloo or @b1tr0t can confirm. But to the main point, yes, we *must* compete. One way to coud be to ape native app model for push permissions where it's tied to install. Looking forward to seeing Mozilla Desktop PWA support some day.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Nov 2019
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      Anyhow, I do think we gave notification prompts too much rope. A lot of that is down to internal churn on the Chrome team, but I'm excited about some of the experiements happening now. I expect this to get a lot better in short order w/o removing Notifications from the platform.

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        2. Kevin Marks‏ @kevinmarks 8 Nov 2019
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          While you're thinking about that, have a look at this use case, where a push is used to update a local sw cache without a notification being triggered. Lots of great offline first use cases here, and connection with websub.https://adactio.com/journal/14511 

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Nov 2019
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          We thought hard about that case in the design of both SWs and Notifications. If you do a silent update more than once or twice, we eventually show a notification on your behalf to let the user know work happened and allow them to revoke the permission.

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