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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      We (Chrome) do not want a Chrome or Chromium-only world. It's harder to make progress on this when other browser teams under-fund engine development, tho. Puts well-meaning teams in a tough bind.

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    2. Chris Lord‏ @cwiiis 5 Nov 2019
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      Yes, true - though there's definitely a responsibility for a company with as vast resources as Google not to just muscle through.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      This isn't abstract; it's about shipped bits we don't control. A quick example: Service Workers on Google's biggest properties. These are *hugely* latency sensitive services. If rollout of a feature slows things down, that can block a launch. Enter Navigation Preload.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Nav Preload is a feature we designed in collaboration with Facebook and the Site Isolation team as they were looking into the latency impacts of Service Workers. It gets things started much sooner, allowing us to avoid blocking network fetches on (potentially slow) disk.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Google's highest-traffic sites need nav preload to be able to enable Service Workers. This has been communicated to other vendors for a long, long time now. And yet (see the bottom):https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/NavigationPreloadManager …

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      The result is other vendors telling us how unfair it is that we don't offer these features to their browser. Except we can't. It'd be a worse experience for users if we did! Unlocking progress means both sides need to deliver.

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    7. Chris Lord‏ @cwiiis 5 Nov 2019
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      That line of argumentation doesn't fly though, other browsers don't not implement it out of malice for Google's users. There are good reasons others don't just drop everything they're doing to service Google's needs (which is essentially what is being asked for here)

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Nobody needs to be acting with malice here. It only requires a genuine disagreement about priorities and goals to get into the situation I described.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      And it isn't just Google sites. There's a generalized difficulty about listening to customer.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Adding features to browsers isn't just about writing code. Each OSS browser has it's own hierarchy of planning, process, and reviewership. We tried getting new features into WebKit when we were contributing >50% of patches, and it didn't work (hence Blink).

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      So, for the set of features that are uncontroversial (no matter how that happened), just writing code can be a meaningful improvement. But that doesn't describe situations like Nav Preload where some engines don't prioritize no matter how many huge sites tell them they need it.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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          And, so we're clear, some fraction of this *is* teams not prioritizing the way I'd prefer. I'll advocate to those teams to do better if/when they're pointed out to me; we have org support to make this situation not suck to the extent the issue isn't missing essential features.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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          (and yes, performance issues can be essential features)

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