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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Nov 2019
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      A necessary addendum: don't take this out on the WebKit team. All of these decisions were made far above their pay-grade. They want a web that can work just as much as you do. Yes, they're Apple employees, but just as oppressed by this as the rest of us.

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    2. Chris Lord‏ @cwiiis 5 Nov 2019
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      They aren't all Apple employees 🙂 But yes, good thread. If I may mention a separate but related issue, it's hard to say which is more damaging for the web out of this and Google essentially privatising it by making sure their sites only work optimally in their browser. Also AMP.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Hi Chris, I'm one of the point people for making Google sure sites aren't (or don't stay) Chrome only. LMK if you see new ones. That said, a frequent cause is lack of useable features in other browsers when trying to do ambitious things. I ask teams to publish these lists.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      We (Chrome) do not want a Chrome or Chromium-only world. It's harder to make progress on this when other browser teams under-fund engine development, tho. Puts well-meaning teams in a tough bind.

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    5. Chris Lord‏ @cwiiis 5 Nov 2019
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      Yes, true - though there's definitely a responsibility for a company with as vast resources as Google not to just muscle through.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      This isn't abstract; it's about shipped bits we don't control. A quick example: Service Workers on Google's biggest properties. These are *hugely* latency sensitive services. If rollout of a feature slows things down, that can block a launch. Enter Navigation Preload.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Nav Preload is a feature we designed in collaboration with Facebook and the Site Isolation team as they were looking into the latency impacts of Service Workers. It gets things started much sooner, allowing us to avoid blocking network fetches on (potentially slow) disk.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Google's highest-traffic sites need nav preload to be able to enable Service Workers. This has been communicated to other vendors for a long, long time now. And yet (see the bottom):https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/NavigationPreloadManager …

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      The result is other vendors telling us how unfair it is that we don't offer these features to their browser. Except we can't. It'd be a worse experience for users if we did! Unlocking progress means both sides need to deliver.

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    10. Chris Lord‏ @cwiiis 5 Nov 2019
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      That line of argumentation doesn't fly though, other browsers don't not implement it out of malice for Google's users. There are good reasons others don't just drop everything they're doing to service Google's needs (which is essentially what is being asked for here)

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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      Nobody needs to be acting with malice here. It only requires a genuine disagreement about priorities and goals to get into the situation I described.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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          And it isn't just Google sites. There's a generalized difficulty about listening to customer.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Nov 2019
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          Adding features to browsers isn't just about writing code. Each OSS browser has it's own hierarchy of planning, process, and reviewership. We tried getting new features into WebKit when we were contributing >50% of patches, and it didn't work (hence Blink).

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