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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 31 Oct 2019
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      Thank you! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills! Didn’t we have an entire multi-year SSR craze like 9 years ago and came to the same conclusion? But it’s React now so somehow it’s different?

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Oct 2019
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      9 years ago is how many bootcamp/accelerator/"full stack" classes?

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    3. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 31 Oct 2019
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      sure, we‘ve created more developers since then than existed at the time, but still, it’s still in the web community.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Oct 2019
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      But we didn't train them. We gave them no community beyond the JS pushers and no norms beyond personal success.

      2 replies 0 retweets 12 likes
    5. Bruce Lawson. At home.‏ @brucel 1 Nov 2019
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      We tried. Again, and again and again. That's one of the reasons I'm thinking of leaving the industry.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    6. Ariel Burone  🇦🇷‏ @aburone 1 Nov 2019
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      This industry is f$^$ up. I have 20yrs exp., can literally start installing the os and go all the way up to FE perf. Yet, the only thing people wants now is someone who would do everything with React. Fuck that. Almost nobody NEEDS React. That's not for user's sake #DXisBS

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    7. Stuart Langridge‏ @sil 2 Nov 2019
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      The thing I honestly don't understand (well, one of them) is that it isn't even a good developer experience! Install this huge pile of libraries? Set up this script? Run this command to watch changes and rebuild? How is that a better experience than "put files in a folder; done"?

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    8. вкαя∂εℓℓ‏ @briankardell 2 Nov 2019
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      I think part of this is explainable by the fact that many have been doing most of this for years (arguably the beginning), and it moving into something js based and the nice parts of something like jsx instead feels like a better alternative

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Nov 2019
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      I locate this in the proprietary forks of HTML and JS that everybody is cool with suddenly. The tax that goes with them is high, and the build-time tax seems "better"

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    10. вкαя∂εℓℓ‏ @briankardell 2 Nov 2019
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      I get that, but at the same time, apples to apples: asp, jsp, php, moustache, velocity, freemarker, handlebars, pug, markdown, jstl, etc etc etc were not strictly HTML either though, right? <include..> was not HTML. And there were a million of them, based on whole diff models no?

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Nov 2019
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      They didn't come with the need for the web developer to run a build step; in fact, their design wisdom was explicitly in eschewing them!

      9:08 AM - 2 Nov 2019
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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Nov 2019
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          They either put building in the server (where it belongs) or made the client runtime bits close enough to the metal that their notjs/nothtml *was* the runtime artifact. That is, they layered on but didn't hard fork, conscious of the costs.

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