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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Oct 2019
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      Alex Russell Retweeted Cheney Tsai

      One way to read their data (and what I gravitate toward) is that SSR is bunk. What matters are honest pixels; UI that does what it says *as soon as it's presented*. Late long tasks are as bad as slow TTFB.https://twitter.com/cheneytsai/status/1190019708159963136 …

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      Cheney Tsai @cheneytsai
      Tying Engagement Rate to Page Speed is more complex than it seems according @vrbo https://medium.com/expedia-group-tech/web-performance-vs-user-engagement-7eda84f6436b …
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    2. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 31 Oct 2019
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      Thank you! I feel like I’m taking crazy pills! Didn’t we have an entire multi-year SSR craze like 9 years ago and came to the same conclusion? But it’s React now so somehow it’s different?

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Oct 2019
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      9 years ago is how many bootcamp/accelerator/"full stack" classes?

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    4. Mikeal Rogers‏ @mikeal 31 Oct 2019
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      sure, we‘ve created more developers since then than existed at the time, but still, it’s still in the web community.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 31 Oct 2019
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      But we didn't train them. We gave them no community beyond the JS pushers and no norms beyond personal success.

      7:20 PM - 31 Oct 2019
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        2. Scott Jehl‏ @scottjehl 31 Oct 2019
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          Teaching the tricks to render UI sooner should have been nothing but positive, but I worry it set us back by making SSR’s poor time to interactive seem less problematic

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 1 Nov 2019
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          Agree. We didn't train folks in valuing the user's perspective, so these properties that scale down poorly are simply out of frame. We've created an entire generation of folks who *could* build for everyone, but nobody valued that, and now they're calling the shots.

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        2. Bruce Lawson. At home.‏ @brucel 1 Nov 2019
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          We tried. Again, and again and again. That's one of the reasons I'm thinking of leaving the industry.

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