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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Gray Norton‏ @graynorton 9 Oct 2019
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      TBH, I don't know who will be proven right. I do think that, over the long term, the web ecosystem will be healthier if the platform itself is better equipped out of the box to meet the demands of modern web dev and isn't permanently reliant on a thick layer of abstractions.

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    2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 9 Oct 2019
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      But while we're waiting for a suitable time to make that judgment, there is a real cost to all these proliferating standards (the thing I referred to at the very top of this thread) — particularly if the answer turns out to be 'yep, mistakes were made', and we're left with cruft

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    3. Gray Norton‏ @graynorton 9 Oct 2019
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      I think the process is working, in its frustratingly slow and imperfect way. There were a bunch of things in the original WC vision (e.g. Model Driven Views + Object.observe, HTML Imports) that died before crossing the finish line, on their merits.

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    4. Gray Norton‏ @graynorton 9 Oct 2019
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      Custom Elements and Shadow DOM have some very solid use cases that I think are fairly uncontroversial at this point.

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    5. Gray Norton‏ @graynorton 9 Oct 2019
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      What's less clear is whether the current shortcomings of these primitives for more mainstream use cases can be addressed with further spec work.

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    6. Gray Norton‏ @graynorton 9 Oct 2019
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      We think they likely can, whereas you're understandably skeptical and concerned. But the process will play out again. If the incremental features aren't good enough, they won't survive.

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    7. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 9 Oct 2019
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      Shadow DOM (in its current form) definitely isn't uncontroversial. I maintain a framework that compiles to WC, and the number one WC-related request was 'please add an option to disable SD'. But it's not possible, because content distribution is coupled to styling

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    8. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 9 Oct 2019
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      In the meantime, how many of these new features are going to be presented as a fait accompli, like MDV etc were, only to be yanked away again later? Platform fatigue is real.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 Oct 2019
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      MDV wasn't s fait-accomplis and anyone who says so is lying to you.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 Oct 2019
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      I was co-TL of the project (Parkour) that developed it alongside features like ES6 classes, async/await, shorter function syntax, many CSS proposals, etc. etc. MDV was demo'd and the feedback was "that's cool, but you should try to break it up"...so we did

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      Replying to @slightlylate @Rich_Harris and

      As a result, we collaborated widely to design features like Mutation Observers (joint design with Mozilla) and Object.observe() (to get the same semantics for the JS-side of the tree).

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        2. Rich Harris‏Verified account @Rich_Harris 9 Oct 2019
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          Not my recollection of the marketing at the time, but let's go with a more recent example — show me where on this page it says 'no non-Chromium browser supports this, and there's lots of active discussion about the API'https://developers.google.com/web/updates/2019/02/constructable-stylesheets …

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 Oct 2019
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          The page you're looking for is here: https://chromestatus.com/feature/5394843094220800 …

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 Oct 2019
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          You can just look through the artifacts and timeline to see it wasn't "presented as fait accomplis". Some folks misrepresent what happened at the time; and I guess they're still at it? Sad, but not true.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 Oct 2019
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          There's something really pernicious here: a contingent of folks keep flogging browser engineers for asking for feedback by saying "you didn't ask for feedback!" I recommend we consider the source in these moments.

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