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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. julio cesar‏ @jcesarmobile 8 Oct 2019
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      Yeah, I know, it just uses WKWebView, but you can access native features from WKWebView, check @apachecordova or @getcapacitor as example. If they can, chrome should be able too.

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    2. Max Lynch‏Verified account @maxlynch 8 Oct 2019
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      Cordova’s whole deal was to implement draft Web APIs using their official JS APIs, but built natively, communicated to through WebView bridge features (WKWebView). In a way, Cordova (and Capacitor, though its goal isn’t to implement draft specs), are just browsers w more APIs.

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    3. Max Lynch‏Verified account @maxlynch 8 Oct 2019
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      I’m curious why Chrome hasn’t taken on a project like this, wondering if Apple would get in the way. I could imagine something like this: “Project Cupertino adds support for modern web APIs not available in WebKit, by implementing them natively and using webkit.messageHandlers"

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    4. Max Lynch‏Verified account @maxlynch 8 Oct 2019
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      Of course, this wouldn’t work for home screen-installed web apps but would extend the functionality of Chrome on iOS

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    5. David Burns‏ @AutomatedTester 8 Oct 2019
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      I agree with your idea. It would be an interesting idea. The thing that nags at back of my head is that we add all these features to browsers but app stores will still pump out apps. Google controls 80% of the web browsers and 80% of mobile.

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    6. David Burns‏ @AutomatedTester 8 Oct 2019
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      Unless google says they will promote PWAs over apps I can’t see developers being incentivised to write pure web apps over phonegap apps or pure mobile apps. Maybe I am too pessimistic

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Oct 2019
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      We have considered various approaches over the years, including this one. Several issues make it unsustainable [1/N]

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Oct 2019
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      First, the implementation would be wildly disjoint. It'd be a frankenbrowser that has *some* extra features, but not others. We thought hard about this for Web Payments, e.g., which incidentally highlights a second major issue: features that depend on SWs can't be added [2/N]

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Oct 2019
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      This shows up in many features where extensibility points can't be implemented (e.g. Payment Request Handler). This makes it an even further franken-browser. But we also lack worklets. This puts pressure on us not to design features the right way, which is *bad*. [3/N]

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Oct 2019
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      Perhaps most importantly, fidelity is low and the expansion of possible attack surface area is high. WebKit is tough from a security perspective (we can't add our own sandbox or process model!), exacerbating it via this channel is tougher still. [4/N]

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Oct 2019
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      In the usual usage model for webviews, you're running 1p content and/or take responsibility for content you run (think of it like adding a 3p script to your site). Very different model to arbitrary untrusted content (which is what browsers specialise in). [5/N]

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Oct 2019
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          Features that get added this way have to try to emulate WebIDL semantics, which is *super* tricky. And slow. [6/N]

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Oct 2019
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          Cordova features didn't need to hold themselves to the same semantics bar. The design language there wasn't WebIDL, and doing a slightly different thing was OK...the developer was entirely awares, after all. Not so on the web. Everywhere we diverge from spec is a bug. [7/N]

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