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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 7 Aug 2019
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      Alex Russell Retweeted Mikeal Rogers

      An abridged list of requirements to use React the way FB does for mobile web: - staff dedicated performance team - set hard perf targets that no CL can violate (enforced by CI) - have a separate "mbasic" version of the service and send users to it that can't handle heavy JShttps://twitter.com/mikeal/status/1159165205428879360 …

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      Mikeal Rogers @mikeal
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      as far a React goes, I’m just out of patience for everyone in these arguments. if you aren’t Facebook, don’t use React if you have non-Facebook problems — they’ve made it clear how that project runs and what the priorities are.
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    2. just-boris‏ @boriscoder 8 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate

      Same applies to lit-element, built in Google and for Google needs

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    3. rtorr 🅧‏ @richardiii 8 Aug 2019
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      The irony is pretty thick.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Aug 2019
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      Alex Russell Retweeted Alex Russell

      This was *literally the very next tweet*:https://twitter.com/slightlylate/status/1159287094281289728?s=20 …

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      Alex Russell @slightlylate
      This mirrors the "richness only when the user can handle it" approach Google Search employs. JS is a privilege -- not a right or requirement -- in high performing teams
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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @richardiii @boriscoder

      And no, Search doesn't use Lit, but no Google service with tons of traffic doesn't have budgets enforced by CI. There's nothing ironic about this. Legacy desktop frameworks are heavy and leave you with less headroom and teams have to employ discipline to cope.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @richardiii @boriscoder

      And no, a modern framework that isn't carrying around a ton of legacy browser baggage doesn't fix things on it's own, but it buys teams headroom...and headroom matters.

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    7. rtorr 🅧‏ @richardiii 8 Aug 2019
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      I think both camps have important roles to play, just think we are creating separate echo chambers. Nothin I say here will be new to you.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @richardiii @boriscoder

      If it FB were talking about the discipline they have to employ to make React work (the way I'm describing the FB/Google prior restraints on slowness), would that help?

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    9. rtorr 🅧‏ @richardiii 8 Aug 2019
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      I’m curious if that is the case in general though at that scale. I’m sure there are trade offs they would be making and have to employ people for other solutions also.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Aug 2019
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      Replying to @richardiii @boriscoder

      At the scale we're talking about, performance correlates *super directly* to money and engagement (hence management is happy to put big roadblocks in the way of doing slow stuff).

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 8 Aug 2019
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      it can correlate for smaller orgs/products too, but harder to see (less well developed measurement systems, no ability to run ablation studies, etc.).

      8:10 AM - 8 Aug 2019
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