jumping into this old thread (on a digital vacation). @slightlylate is correct. I think of PWA as a way to frame where the web needs to go. Call it architecture, call it a design pattern, call it marketing. It's a way to get us all on the same page and I think its working.
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Replying to @boyofgreen @slightlylate and
I agree. But AJAX, HTML5, SPA, PWA, ..? It's an evolution. Eventually we just call them all web apps. What would be nice would be better user-facing terminology and marketing. "Add to home" is hard to explain. It would be great if "install the web app" was widely understood.
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Replying to @bfrancis @boyofgreen and
I believe "Add website shortcut" is good enough. Although with WebAPK it's a real install and that would be confusing.
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Replying to @nekrtemplar @bfrancis and
But "Add website shortcut" isn't a brand. Lots of browsers let you add shortcuts to any website, so "shortcut-addable website" doesn't mean your site has any particular properties. The "PWA" brand is (fuzzily) meeting some criteria for being a "real app".
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Replying to @mgiuca @nekrtemplar and
I'd love to work out a consistent set of requirements for sites to meet that is agreed across browsers, rather than having this or that browser's criteria be what developers are shooting for.
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Replying to @mgiuca @nekrtemplar and
This would only be valuable once checks imprpve. Chrome behaviour is largely deficient to ensure goals are met, at will likely need further bolstering (post better offline handling detection) to gate install on speed. Slow sites should not be installable. /cc
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Replying to @slightlylate @mgiuca and
Offline is a bit of an interesting case too. What do we consider “offline handling”? Is a “you are offline notice” good enough? What's the bar? Twitter’s PWA, for example, doesn't actually work offline. And that's intentional, due to the nature of the product.
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Replying to @AaronGustafson @slightlylate and
I mean personally I’d like to see the twitter PWA have better off line support. I’d love to be able to reward cached tweets, reply to them, etc to be synced later. That’s what the mobile app does.
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Replying to @marionpdaly @AaronGustafson and
At a minimum, the SW needs to respond with a document with low latency (sub-second) under all network conditions (online, flaky, offline) or you haven't really won anything for the user. Our install checks aren't good around this and *must* improve.
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Replying to @slightlylate @marionpdaly and
Installability is a privilege to be earned by sites that do well by the user, namely by meeting app-like minimum bars to interactivity -- that is, it always loads in ~constant time when you tap the icon.
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As a stop-gap, we're investigating treating slow-starts as crashes. Anyhow, on holiday and won't respond here more for a while.
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