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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Jeff Burtoft‏ @boyofgreen 27 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @bfrancis and

      jumping into this old thread (on a digital vacation). @slightlylate is correct. I think of PWA as a way to frame where the web needs to go. Call it architecture, call it a design pattern, call it marketing. It's a way to get us all on the same page and I think its working.

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    2. Ben Francis‏ @bfrancis 28 Jun 2019
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      I agree. But AJAX, HTML5, SPA, PWA, ..? It's an evolution. Eventually we just call them all web apps. What would be nice would be better user-facing terminology and marketing. "Add to home" is hard to explain. It would be great if "install the web app" was widely understood.

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    3. Arthur Stolyar‏ @nekrtemplar 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @bfrancis @boyofgreen and

      I believe "Add website shortcut" is good enough. Although with WebAPK it's a real install and that would be confusing.

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    4. Matt Giuca‏ @mgiuca 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @nekrtemplar @bfrancis and

      But "Add website shortcut" isn't a brand. Lots of browsers let you add shortcuts to any website, so "shortcut-addable website" doesn't mean your site has any particular properties. The "PWA" brand is (fuzzily) meeting some criteria for being a "real app".

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    5. Matt Giuca‏ @mgiuca 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @mgiuca @nekrtemplar and

      I'd love to work out a consistent set of requirements for sites to meet that is agreed across browsers, rather than having this or that browser's criteria be what developers are shooting for.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @mgiuca @nekrtemplar and

      This would only be valuable once checks imprpve. Chrome behaviour is largely deficient to ensure goals are met, at will likely need further bolstering (post better offline handling detection) to gate install on speed. Slow sites should not be installable. /cc @b1tr0t

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    7. Aaron Gustafson‏ @AaronGustafson 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @mgiuca and

      Offline is a bit of an interesting case too. What do we consider “offline handling”? Is a “you are offline notice” good enough? What's the bar? Twitter’s PWA, for example, doesn't actually work offline. And that's intentional, due to the nature of the product.

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    8. Marion (Miri) Daly‏ @marionpdaly 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @AaronGustafson @slightlylate and

      I mean personally I’d like to see the twitter PWA have better off line support. I’d love to be able to reward cached tweets, reply to them, etc to be synced later. That’s what the mobile app does.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @marionpdaly @AaronGustafson and

      At a minimum, the SW needs to respond with a document with low latency (sub-second) under all network conditions (online, flaky, offline) or you haven't really won anything for the user. Our install checks aren't good around this and *must* improve.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @marionpdaly and

      Installability is a privilege to be earned by sites that do well by the user, namely by meeting app-like minimum bars to interactivity -- that is, it always loads in ~constant time when you tap the icon.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 28 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @marionpdaly and

      As a stop-gap, we're investigating treating slow-starts as crashes. Anyhow, on holiday and won't respond here more for a while.

      7:19 AM - 28 Jun 2019
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        1. Maximiliano Firtman‏Verified account @firt 28 Jun 2019
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          Enjoy your holidays!

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