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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Ryan Sleevi‏ @sleevi_ 16 Jun 2019
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      Ryan Sleevi Retweeted John Wilander

      What about the other stuff you listed in https://mobile.twitter.com/johnwilander/status/1140290102867812352 … ? And can you clarify attacked? Does that simply mean there was disagreement on the approach and proposal? Is that justification to ship things regardless?

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      John Wilander @johnwilander
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      🙂 You need to land all the privacy protections in Blink first – Partitioned DOM Storage, partitioned ServiceWorkers, partitioned cache, the Storage Access API, capped expiry of client-side cookies, and URL decoration mitigations. 👍🏼
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    2. John Wilander‏ @johnwilander 16 Jun 2019
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      Attacked == people grandstanding, taking turns at telling me ITP was bad although ITP was not the topic, telling me I was stupid, that sort of stuff. It’s by far the most hostile audience I’ve had at a technical presentation.

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    3. Robin Berjon‏ @robinberjon 16 Jun 2019
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      When ITP came out I reached out to Chrome folks to ask when we could expect the same there. I was told I was stupid for even looking at ITP, and that of course Chrome would do something *much* better for privacy. (Still waiting!) I don't think John is exaggerating.

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    4. Marion (Miri) Daly‏ @marionpdaly 16 Jun 2019
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      No one should be calling you or anyone else stupid just for asking questions.

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    5. othermaciej‏ @othermaciej 16 Jun 2019
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      It was personal insults for proposing Storage Access API, a path for user-granted exceptions to ITP. Fortunately @johnwilander has a thick skin but there’s only so much he should have to take.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @othermaciej @marionpdaly and

      This may be in reference to my objections at the time? The API didn't (and still doesn't) wire up all storage (only cookies) and left many other APIs to fend for themselves (broadcast channel, no permissions API integration, etc. etc.). Notes here: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/06-webappsec-minutes.html#item11 …

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jun 2019
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      From a pure consistency perspective, it remains astonishing that this hangs off of `document` (not navigator), is called `requestStorageAccess()` and only gives you cookies (takes no arguments to specify), and still doesn't integrate into the Permissions API

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @othermaciej and

      What I got from the conversation in '17 (perhaps I wasn't listening closely enough?) was "here's what we implemented and are going to ship, no we can't make changes". This is de-facto hostile to the iterative process that makes for good design. People were (and are) sensibly agog

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    9. John Wilander‏ @johnwilander 17 Jun 2019
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      We got some useful feedback on the Storage Access API after ~45 minutes of grandstanding and yelling on ITP, and integrated the feedback throughout the spring of 2018. We continue to get feedback and make changes, especially now that 2 out of 3 major engines have implemented.

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    10. othermaciej‏ @othermaciej 17 Jun 2019
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      To be even more explicit, we will consider feedback and are still open to change. Further feedback welcome here:https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/3338 …

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @othermaciej @johnwilander and

      Thanks, @othermaciej.

      9:58 AM - 17 Jun 2019
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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Jun 2019
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          Also, do the notes really suggest "grandstanding about ITP"? I asked for evidence that the proposed semantics were going to be usable. You can't cleave API style (which is problematic) from semantics that cleanly. APIs have consequences, and they matter.

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        3. John Wilander‏ @johnwilander 17 Jun 2019
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          If your recollection of the event is that of courtesy and healthy discussion, I’m sorry for your loss of memory.

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