"major" WGs get formed at SDOs by folks who generally all have implemented something that maybe even is partially interoperable and want a forum to protect what's working and sand off the sharp bits.
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The path is always: DESIGN → ITERATE → SHIP & STANDARDISE
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I get into some of it at length here: https://infrequently.org/2018/06/effective-standards-work-part-2-threading-the-needle/ …
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The important thing to recall is that the earliest work that led to the core of what our major WGs tend *didn't happen in committee either* So why would we expect new things to be different?
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And yet we do. Insiders are always keen for work to happen in the rooms they're already in (where they have implicit veto and social capital from previous battles won/lost). For early stage exploration, this is a trap!
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The insiders don't feel the glacial rate of progress as a problem...they're too busy as it is! And folks presenting upstart ideas didn't convince all the old-timers that their thing was really *needed*...we've gotten by without it, after all! And we work by consensus here, soo...
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These forums are toxic for exploration and iteration of big new things because *that's not what they're chartered to do*. Never were, never will be (see previous thread).
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In conclusion, WGs that tend to the care and feeding of important systems didn't spring fully formed from the head of Zeus either! It's unreasonable to expect such miracles to happen at *any* moment, past or future, so we use CGs and incubation to make safer spaces for new ideas.
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Replying to @slightlylate
Guessing these threads are precipitated by <toast>… It’s good for folks to understand how various groups work. However, reaction to <toast> is pretty telling & widespread. IMO Google needs to message its exploration better, and folks don’t need to know about this as much.
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Replying to @jfbastien @slightlylate
Part of it is that basically anyone at Google can propose anything. Combine that with cynicism at many things Google did (or is perceived to have done), and you’re setting yourself up for anger. You can’t fix cynicism fast, and you can’t standards-splain everything to everyone.
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Yeah, we don't waterfall over here, and that's also...unique...in this space.
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