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    1. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      Implement != ship. It's really unclear to me what's the problem with that timeline

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    2. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Complete lack of interest in or solicitation of the perspectives, plans, or design input of other vendors (nevermind the wider Web community).

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    3. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers 12 Jun 2019
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      How does requesting an early design review from TAG not constitute exactly that?

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    4. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      1. The TAG is overloaded, and only has one engineer from each vendor. It's an important review, but doesn't have the same broadness of participation or specialization as proposing things through more specific standardization channels.

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    5. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      2. The ITI template (afaik) is intended for proving/indexing that discussion, not starting it. Because it makes sense to get initial design review and other key input as to whether or not this is a good idea *before* you start implementing it.

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    6. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      If the ITI template is intended to *start* soliciting input, you may want to seriously redesign it, because as mentioned elsewhere in the thread it's interpreted by everyone else as the title says: an intent to implement the thing described. Not as a request for comments.

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    7. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Follow-up on the "the TAG is overloaded" point... if problems with a proposal can be caught by people other than the TAG before it gets to the TAG, that helps the TAG do its job better by improving its throughput and letting it focus on what other groups can't provide.

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    8. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      Sure. And I don't think that the TAG review issues are reserved for TAG members. But because the TAG is overloaded, review latency can be high. So starting it early gives everyone enough time to look at it before the folks pushing the feature think it should actually ship

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      I also don't understand the core argument here; is it *bad* to be seeking broad feedback? Is it bad to be building implementations to learn from and iterate on? Which part of this is mis-ordered?

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    10. fantasai‏ @fantasai 13 Jun 2019
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      According to your own I2I documentation, posting an I2I before discussing the feature with other vendors / in relevant standards bodies: https://gist.github.com/dauwhe/065b0c2b4ffae7b00e103e63edab25b9 … According to the WHATWG guidelines, developing your solution before even posting the problem: https://whatwg.org/faq#adding-new-features …

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 13 Jun 2019
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      WHATWG isn't an incubation forum and we don't use it that way.

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        1. Simon Pieters‏ @zcorpan 17 Jun 2019
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          Steps 1-7 are essentially incubation. Many features have been incubated at the WHATWG (e.g. <script type=module>), but incubation can happen anywhere. I suppose the focus has shifted lately to do less incubation at the WHATWG, but the FAQ entry isn't so much about venue.

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