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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      We typically also ask folks to file a TAG review at that point so that the TAG has time to review and provide feedback *as early as possible*

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    2. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      "implemented behind a flag" basically means that the some code has landed and interested developers can play around with the API. Users don't have it enabled (by default) so developers can't expect to rely on that API for non-demo sites

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    3. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      "intent to experiment" or having a feature behind an origin trial means that interested developers can play around with the feature on their site with real users, but *for a limited time*. The API shape may not be final and likely to change.

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    4. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      The goal of the trial is to learn if the API is good enough, or it should be changed in some fundamental way. We believe that it's good to realize that before something has shipped, and changing it incurs a significant cost on both developers and browsers

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    5. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      "intent to ship" means that someone wants to enable a feature by default, so that developers can use it and users can benefit from it. Note that it does not mean that the feature has already shipped!

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    6. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      At that point the API owners need to weigh in and decide if shipping the feature is risky and/or beneficial and decide on the right tradeoff between interoperability, compatibility and moving the web forward.

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    7. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      They do that in the form of LGTMs (or "Looks Good To Me"). It takes three of those for a feature to ship

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    8. Andy Davies‏ @AndyDavies 13 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @yoavweiss

      Ultimately those 3 x LGTMs are still internal to Google though

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    9. Andy Davies‏ @AndyDavies 13 Jun 2019
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      And there are weird power dynamics around it all particularly the way Google have the largest DevRel team which results in message being pushed very strongly so it’s no wonder people get confused about the subtleties of the process

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    10. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 13 Jun 2019
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      While I share your sadness about preload's shenanigans when it comes to preloading low-priority resources, I don't see how it's relevant to this discussion. AppCache isn't removed because its market share it too damned too high. Looking for web compatible heuristics around that

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 13 Jun 2019
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      If we're doing conspiracy theorism, I'll note that Google may be the world's largest AppCache user... 🤔🤔🤔

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        2. Sam Grace Sneddon  🏳️‍🌈 (they/them)‏ @gsnedders 13 Jun 2019
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          *only (Too soon?)

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        3. Eric Lawrence  🎻‏ @ericlaw 13 Jun 2019
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          Alas, no, we use it too.

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        2. Andy Davies‏ @AndyDavies 14 Jun 2019
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          Oh c'mon it's not a conspiracy theory… it's a chicken and egg / organisational issue AppCache can't be unshipped in Chrome as usage is too high… perhaps usage is too high because the rest of Google can't be persuaded to stop using it

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        3. Andy Davies‏ @AndyDavies 14 Jun 2019
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          Meanwhile every Chrome user is affected by the performance impact of AppCache initialisation Although this may not be significant outside the rel=preload case

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