But again, those trials are specific to a particular proposed feature, rather than the overall process.
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Replying to @slightlylate @edent and
I'd also like to note the counterfactual: traditional working groups do not solicit or require feedback outside the set of people who are members of a particular SDO. This process is casting the nest wider and requesting more input than traditional standards development ever did
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Replying to @slightlylate @edent and
So I hear you on research; we're working to move the entire platform to a more evidence-based approach, and it's worth asking how the detractors of these tools would prefer things be structured instead. Is the alternative conference-room "consensus" from a preordained clique?
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Replying to @slightlylate @RickByers and
1. Have a cool idea 2. Speak to real users and see if it meets a user need 3. Publish the (vague) user research and start discussing with peers 4. Design and iterate based on feedback 5. Test with users. Pass/Fail based on beta testing 6. Publish test results 7. Etc.
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Replying to @edent @slightlylate and
What <toast> demonstrates is a "clique" of Google employees having a cool idea. Discussing it amongst themselves. Publishing no user feedback or tests. Then dumping it on the community. Thats not a great way to build consensus. Have some empathy for your fellow standards folk.
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Replying to @edent @RickByers and
<toast> is explicitly derived from what frameworks are already doing.
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Replying to @slightlylate @edent and
And again, these proposals are malleable and we want others to collaborate. The defacto oppositional frame in this conversation is...unhelpful.
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Replying to @slightlylate @RickByers and
Collaboration has to involve dissent. If people can't say "no, we think this is a bad idea" - then you need to find a different word than collaboration. (For the record, I think toast is an excellent idea. But I'm not the majority of users.)
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Replying to @edent @RickByers and
Have you filed issues with this feedback?
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Replying to @slightlylate @RickByers and
No. Because it isn't even 7am and I'm still tired. I have asked to clarify what a toast is.https://github.com/jackbsteinberg/std-toast/issues/26 …
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Deeply appreciate any time and effort you can spend filing issues in areas you care about on these early, malleable incubations. I'm happy to be your backstop for ensuring they're addressed.
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