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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers 12 Jun 2019
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      How does requesting an early design review from TAG not constitute exactly that?

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    2. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      1. The TAG is overloaded, and only has one engineer from each vendor. It's an important review, but doesn't have the same broadness of participation or specialization as proposing things through more specific standardization channels.

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    3. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      2. The ITI template (afaik) is intended for proving/indexing that discussion, not starting it. Because it makes sense to get initial design review and other key input as to whether or not this is a good idea *before* you start implementing it.

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    4. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      If the ITI template is intended to *start* soliciting input, you may want to seriously redesign it, because as mentioned elsewhere in the thread it's interpreted by everyone else as the title says: an intent to implement the thing described. Not as a request for comments.

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    5. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Follow-up on the "the TAG is overloaded" point... if problems with a proposal can be caught by people other than the TAG before it gets to the TAG, that helps the TAG do its job better by improving its throughput and letting it focus on what other groups can't provide.

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    6. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      Sure. And I don't think that the TAG review issues are reserved for TAG members. But because the TAG is overloaded, review latency can be high. So starting it early gives everyone enough time to look at it before the folks pushing the feature think it should actually ship

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      I also don't understand the core argument here; is it *bad* to be seeking broad feedback? Is it bad to be building implementations to learn from and iterate on? Which part of this is mis-ordered?

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      And @fantasai, understand that folks in this thread are Blink API OWNERS; it's our (part time) job to push back on folks who try to send an I2S that doesn't demonstrate real and thoughtful iteration and solicitation of feedback. Can reach out *directly* when that isn't happening

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      With my 🐡 TL hat on, we consciously pay a heavy tax over and above what you're accusing us of *specifically because we spend time soliciting and integrating the feedback some claim we're not asking for*.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      I could make my life, and the life of my team, much much easier if we did what you're accusing. But we don't. Our process is audaciously public and uncomfortably raw specifically to enable you to engage and collaborate should you care about the feature or space.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      Is there any other engine project that takes developer feedback from something like Origin Trials? That floats APIs *and then doesn't ship them* for lack of feedback or interest? That explicitly invokes the TAG or forces their team to work in public via incubation?

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        2. Terence Eden‏Verified account @edent 12 Jun 2019
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          Please can you publish the user research you've done on this? The user needs analysis would be really helpful in evaluating whether something is actually useful for end users.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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          On our general process for deciding to ship features? We tend to do UXR for specific features (not general processes), and (as you know) that tends to implicate PII unless meticulously scrubbed.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @yoavweiss and

          The Blink Lauch Process is one long plea for constructive criticism. If you have any, please, for the love of everything good and webby, *please file it*. And if you think the teams involved didn't respond adequately, *PING THE OWNERS* or weigh in on I2S threads. We're listening.

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        3. hexalys‏ @hexalys 12 Jun 2019
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          My 2¢ constructive criticism: 1. Firefox, Edge, Safari: No public signals Would be more respectable if you added: "yet". 2. Web developers: Positive (previously expressed privately) I'd suggest you announce such repos early on @ChromiumDev for actual dev feedback prior to intent.

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