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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      fantasai Retweeted Dave Cramer

      Web standardization according to Google? "Nobody outside my team has reviewed or approved of the explainer in my private repo, but if we implement and encourage devs to use it, surely our competitors will agree to implement it [because our market dominance determines compat]".https://twitter.com/dauwhe/status/1138989015238156289 …

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      Dave Cramer @dauwhe
      Replying to @jensimmons
      Timeline: initial commit to personal repo: May 24 comment by an editor of WHATWG HTML (also a Google employee): May 28 Intent to implement email: June 12 Request for TAG review: June 12 First mention in WICG: June 12
      4 replies 67 retweets 146 likes
    2. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @fantasai

      Implement != ship. It's really unclear to me what's the problem with that timeline

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    3. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @yoavweiss

      Complete lack of interest in or solicitation of the perspectives, plans, or design input of other vendors (nevermind the wider Web community).

      1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
    4. Rick Byers‏ @RickByers 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @fantasai @yoavweiss

      How does requesting an early design review from TAG not constitute exactly that?

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    5. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @RickByers @yoavweiss

      1. The TAG is overloaded, and only has one engineer from each vendor. It's an important review, but doesn't have the same broadness of participation or specialization as proposing things through more specific standardization channels.

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    6. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @fantasai @RickByers @yoavweiss

      2. The ITI template (afaik) is intended for proving/indexing that discussion, not starting it. Because it makes sense to get initial design review and other key input as to whether or not this is a good idea *before* you start implementing it.

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    7. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @fantasai @RickByers @yoavweiss

      If the ITI template is intended to *start* soliciting input, you may want to seriously redesign it, because as mentioned elsewhere in the thread it's interpreted by everyone else as the title says: an intent to implement the thing described. Not as a request for comments.

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    8. fantasai‏ @fantasai 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @fantasai @RickByers @yoavweiss

      Follow-up on the "the TAG is overloaded" point... if problems with a proposal can be caught by people other than the TAG before it gets to the TAG, that helps the TAG do its job better by improving its throughput and letting it focus on what other groups can't provide.

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    9. Yoav Weiss‏ @yoavweiss 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @fantasai @RickByers

      Sure. And I don't think that the TAG review issues are reserved for TAG members. But because the TAG is overloaded, review latency can be high. So starting it early gives everyone enough time to look at it before the folks pushing the feature think it should actually ship

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @yoavweiss @fantasai @RickByers

      I also don't understand the core argument here; is it *bad* to be seeking broad feedback? Is it bad to be building implementations to learn from and iterate on? Which part of this is mis-ordered?

      2 replies 1 retweet 7 likes
      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @yoavweiss and

      And @fantasai, understand that folks in this thread are Blink API OWNERS; it's our (part time) job to push back on folks who try to send an I2S that doesn't demonstrate real and thoughtful iteration and solicitation of feedback. Can reach out *directly* when that isn't happening

      9:41 PM - 12 Jun 2019
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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @yoavweiss and

          With my 🐡 TL hat on, we consciously pay a heavy tax over and above what you're accusing us of *specifically because we spend time soliciting and integrating the feedback some claim we're not asking for*.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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          I could make my life, and the life of my team, much much easier if we did what you're accusing. But we don't. Our process is audaciously public and uncomfortably raw specifically to enable you to engage and collaborate should you care about the feature or space.

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