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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 10 Jun 2019
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      The Chromium team's work to align web platform security boundaries with the operating system's security boundaries is really amazing. This is like upgrading the web from MS-DOS + Windows 3.1 to a real operating system.

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    2. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 10 Jun 2019
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      Except that OS security boundaries as the only viable ones is a bad end result, and browsers used to be the vanguard in pushing against that.

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    3. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 10 Jun 2019
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      What's the alternative? (Not a rhetorical question.)

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    4. JF Bastien‏ @jfbastien 10 Jun 2019
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      Device-per-origin security model. Imagine, we could let webpages (or are they just applications then?) use physical memory directly! Done with a page? Wipe the device! Unicorn startup, here I come! 🦄

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    5. Justin Schuh‏ @justinschuh 12 Jun 2019
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      Accepting JF's comedy, I am also keenly interested in the answer here. Because from the Chrome Security Team's perspective, we invested so much in moving to OS primitives because in our assessment they are more robust, portable, and much easier to reason about than alternatives.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @justinschuh @jfbastien and

      I'd also love to understand the colour on why OS primitives being the guarantor of safety is a bad result. Memory costs? Something else?

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    7. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 12 Jun 2019
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      I understand why Chrome is doing this, both because the ability to construct robust security primitives outside the OS is less than we thought (ie spectre) and because unsafe languages make process separation more necessary.

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    8. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 12 Jun 2019
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      But I'm sad because I agree with Dan Ingalls: "An operating system is a collection of things that don't fit into a language. There shouldn't be one." We should be able to create security boundaries inside the language, and it seems like we mostly can't.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 12 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @samth @justinschuh and

      Perhaps I'm not sufficiently enlightened to understand how these are in opposition. E.g., <iframe> === process is an implementation detail of the HTML language from the perspective of the developer.

      12:33 PM - 12 Jun 2019
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        1. Sam Tobin-Hochstadt‏ @samth 12 Jun 2019
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          Right and if we can have function call === process then I'll be fine with using OS primitives.

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