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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jun 2019
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      Alex Russell Retweeted Laurie Voss

      Ignoring @seldo's intemperate, self-owning ad-homenim, let's consider what it might mean...there are many versions! A few: 1.) *literally do exactly this* 2.) add building blocks 3.) start from syntaxhttps://twitter.com/seldo/status/1135150260425318400 …

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      Laurie Voss @seldo
      BUILD REACT INTO THE BROWSER YOU COWARDS
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    2. Malte Ubl‏Verified account @cramforce 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @seldo

      To me @seldo's tweet quite clearly articulates that browsers should ship some form of DOM diffing that can be used as a backend for popular frameworks natively and that JSX should become part of JS.

      6 replies 0 retweets 17 likes
    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @cramforce @slightlylate @seldo

      I disagree and would feel frustrated if the browser baked DOM diffing directly in. Two reasons: 1. DOM diffing is one of many viable approaches and not very hard to implement 2. React reconciliation is a heuristic (not an algorithm shared in precise details even by vdom folks.)

      2 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
    4. Malte Ubl‏Verified account @cramforce 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @wycats @slightlylate @seldo

      The primitive that is needed is: This is a representation of how I'd like the DOM to look. Please make it so.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @cramforce @wycats and

      I think @dan_abramov himself basically said that the “please make it so” thing you’re describing wouldn’t be useful for React, for a variety of reasons. These proxy discussions about which bits of React should be in DOM do without asking the React themselves seems weird to me.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @mikesherov @cramforce and

      Should be a pretty strong signal that React team is not asking for VDOM or whatever in the browser.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    7. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @mikesherov @cramforce and

      Every day on jQuery I was asking for more stuff in the browser, because the solutions had a lot of overlap. React has asked for none (except scheduling) because there isn’t as much overlap.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Matthew Phillips‏ @matthewcp 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @mikesherov @cramforce and

      So then why is your conclusion that the web shouldn't pursue this? The fact that React doesn't overlap as much with the web just means that the web (community) has to pursue this on our own without their direct involvement.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @matthewcp @cramforce and

      The fact that we *think* we want it is because we see React’s dominance with the idea, and their insight as to why they don’t think it’s better in the browser is *key*. Also, web standards are purposely very slow. What we need in the DOM across all FWs isn’t well understood

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    10. Matthew Phillips‏ @matthewcp 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @mikesherov @cramforce and

      I don't think they are really in favor of any user-facing features in the browser; only really super low-level stuff that only frameworks would ever use. Their goal is not to improve ergonomics of web APIs so they can't be looked to for guidance there.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @matthewcp @mikesherov and

      Lots of frameworks bet on high-level web platform features all the time, and many adopted classes, promises, arrow functions, etc. We have responsibility to improve across the spectrum.

      11:32 AM - 3 Jun 2019
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        2. Mike Sherov (he/him)  🚀‏ @mikesherov 3 Jun 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @matthewcp and

          Ok so are you arguing for or against react in the browser.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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          Replying to @mikesherov @matthewcp and

          Less arguing than listening, but in general, we should put things in the browser that: - developers will use, in the hopes that... - use will lead to smaller wire costs, and... - more room to optimise in the runtime

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