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Alex Russell
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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 3 Jun 2019
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      Firstly, please stop arguing with a joke:https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1135212478810509312?s=21 …

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      My real position is that there are some stable features within React and common to the other frameworks and we should be looking at promoting them to web APIs. This would allow all the frameworks to get smaller and the web to get faster.
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    2. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 3 Jun 2019
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      Secondly, we absolutely did it with jQuery when we made Document.querySelector().

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    3. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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      I'd say that document.querySelector was a careful and very minimal incorporation of a piece of jQuery. The browser never did incorporate arguably the most popular aspect of jQuery: ubiquitous chaining.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      It's also a case study in close-but-not-quite: qSA was lazy in the sense that it reused the engine matching system for a selector, which is document-wide...but that's not what any library did. So we all still had to wrap it. The return type was also a dud.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      ...which is why -- in the modern era -- we study what libraries *actually do* and preflight many new features with Origin Trials to collect feedback before path dependency sets in: https://developers.chrome.com/origintrials/#/trials/active …

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    6. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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      I'm not convinced preflight would have caught the qSA mistake. What's the incentive to spend enginering resources preflighting qS and qSA?

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      I literally told browser engineers pre-shipping that qSA was wrong in at least the selector dimension. As for incentives, browsers *hate* being wrong. Deprecating APIs takes huge amounts of effort; same for community opprobrium for a choice you can't get a mulligan on.

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    8. Daniel Ehrenberg‏ @littledan 3 Jun 2019
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      Hmm, given that you did tell them and they didn't listen, sounds like the issue wasn't lack of available data but that it wasn't taken properly into account. How should we fix that class of problems? More data reinforcing that others would face the same issues?

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      My hope is that some of what we've done in the Blink process forces feature developers to honestly collect and reckon with that sort of feedback; e.g. with incubation and Origin Trials. Not all vendors use these processes. I expect our batting average would go up if they did.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      The current moment where Blink is first to implement most things is an historical aberration. In a moment where, e.g., Apple decides Safari is strategic, we'd be back to the old ways (see also: force touch events, notch CSS, Apple Pay for web, etc.)

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      I want a world where more vendors are competing on different ideas about how to solve important developer problems in ways that don't lead to burn-in or groupthink dominating the design phase.

      10:43 AM - 3 Jun 2019
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        1. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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          Selectors are an unfortunate example because - the API was straight forward - the userspace examples were unified - the mistake was obvious and pointed out to them by people they respected I don't think that combination of factors happens a lot these days.

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