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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jun 2019
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      Alex Russell Retweeted Laurie Voss

      Ignoring @seldo's intemperate, self-owning ad-homenim, let's consider what it might mean...there are many versions! A few: 1.) *literally do exactly this* 2.) add building blocks 3.) start from syntaxhttps://twitter.com/seldo/status/1135150260425318400 …

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      Laurie Voss @seldo
      BUILD REACT INTO THE BROWSER YOU COWARDS
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    2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @seldo

      They said the same thing about jQuery, where there was arguably a stronger case to be made. People who shout "Build X into the browser" usually miss how poorly designed popular systems are. Which is the right tradeoff for libraries and the wrong tradeoff for the permanent web.

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    3. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 3 Jun 2019
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      Laurie Voss Retweeted Laurie Voss

      Firstly, please stop arguing with a joke:https://twitter.com/seldo/status/1135212478810509312?s=21 …

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      Laurie Voss @seldo
      Replying to @sroussey
      My real position is that there are some stable features within React and common to the other frameworks and we should be looking at promoting them to web APIs. This would allow all the frameworks to get smaller and the web to get faster.
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    4. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @seldo @wycats @slightlylate

      Secondly, we absolutely did it with jQuery when we made Document.querySelector().

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    5. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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      I'd say that document.querySelector was a careful and very minimal incorporation of a piece of jQuery. The browser never did incorporate arguably the most popular aspect of jQuery: ubiquitous chaining.

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @wycats @seldo

      It's also a case study in close-but-not-quite: qSA was lazy in the sense that it reused the engine matching system for a selector, which is document-wide...but that's not what any library did. So we all still had to wrap it. The return type was also a dud.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      ...which is why -- in the modern era -- we study what libraries *actually do* and preflight many new features with Origin Trials to collect feedback before path dependency sets in: https://developers.chrome.com/origintrials/#/trials/active …

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    8. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @seldo

      I'm not convinced preflight would have caught the qSA mistake. What's the incentive to spend enginering resources preflighting qS and qSA?

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @wycats @seldo

      I literally told browser engineers pre-shipping that qSA was wrong in at least the selector dimension. As for incentives, browsers *hate* being wrong. Deprecating APIs takes huge amounts of effort; same for community opprobrium for a choice you can't get a mulligan on.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 3 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @wycats @seldo

      We have a such a long view on the platform that we take those things into account early. Much, much better to lose a quarter or two than to be wrong for a decade.

      9:51 AM - 3 Jun 2019
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        2. Yehuda Katz  🥨‏Verified account @wycats 3 Jun 2019
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          No disagreement from me.

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        3. Bill Ticehurst‏ @billticehurst 3 Jun 2019
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          Woh! Is that a first? 😜

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