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    1. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 2 Jun 2019
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      BUILD REACT INTO THE BROWSER YOU COWARDS

      51 replies 24 retweets 293 likes
    2. Steven Roussey‏ @sroussey 2 Jun 2019
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      I remember that call with prototypejs. And later with jquery. And later with ______

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    3. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 2 Jun 2019
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      We built browser APIs based on both of those technologies.

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    4. Steven Roussey‏ @sroussey 2 Jun 2019
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      That wasn’t the call though. People wanted $() for example. They didn’t want partial versions. BTW: $() was a pain when copied from firebug. One returned an element, one returned a stack.

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    5. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 2 Jun 2019
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      My real position is that there are some stable features within React and common to the other frameworks and we should be looking at promoting them to web APIs. This would allow all the frameworks to get smaller and the web to get faster.

      6 replies 11 retweets 82 likes
    6. Steven Roussey‏ @sroussey 2 Jun 2019
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      Same argument for jquery (smaller and faster web pages). Jquery had far higher adoption. I’d say only 10% knew $ returned a stack. 😢 It also means the apis can’t change. There is work on built in modules though (KV storage, for example). What react stuff do you propose?

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    7. Laurie Voss‏ @seldo 2 Jun 2019
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      I'm not an expert, but all the frameworks do virtual DOM diffing so making it faster by making it native seems like an obvious win.

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    8. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 2 Jun 2019
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      Virtual DOM diffing is wasteful and making it native won't change that. It's also entirely unnecessary, and proposals like Template Instantiation achieve the same goals in a much more platform cohesive way.

      1 reply 1 retweet 34 likes
    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jun 2019
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      It's also worth noting that we built *tons* of other stuff into the browser that the median React app uses (Promises, Classes, generators, the rest of ES6) and those apps, to near-unit likelihood, still tax users with polyfills for all of them 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jun 2019
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      Find me the FB-sponsored/endorsed React starter kit that doesn't tax 97.5% of users for the benefit of the 2.5% and I'll be more convinced that rising the road up to meet them is a worthy cause:http://gs.statcounter.com/ 

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jun 2019
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      Hell, just show me a React-team endorsed path that doesn't polyfill Object.assign, Promises, and Classes *by default* for the 100% of Android users that don't need them (that is, 80% of mobile) and it'll be a new day.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jun 2019
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          I've put my oar into this water for these folks for *so* many years, and the retort is "do more or we won't start down the path of mildly inconveniencing ourselves"? @seldo, you're smart, would *you* volunteer the careers of your teammates for that cause given the evidence?

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 2 Jun 2019
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          ...or perhaps you mean this in the style of "let's put things into the browser so that folks don't need to pick React"? If so, we've got a lot of 'em to pick from already! Lit, Stencil, Preact, Svelte, etc. etc. Interested teams are spoiled for choice.

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