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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 May 2019
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      PSA re: the wild misreporting about Extensions Manifest v3: declarativeNetRequest *is a list-based blocker*, and that's what's being added. This is the same approach Apple/Safari uses for the same reasons (perf & privacy): https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/declarativeNetRequest …

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 May 2019
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      This is similar to the way Chrome extensions didn't expose all the power that legacy FF extensions did; we all learn the hard way that providing nice things and hoping they don't get misused eventually get users hurt. So this is a correction whose details are being honed.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 May 2019
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          One of those details is that the size of the list provided by each extension to `declarativeNetRequest` is something that is being studied from the performance point of view. Remember that many extensions can provide lists!

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 May 2019
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          And yes, there is an explicit goal here to remove and reduce use of a much, much slower and more privacy invasive system (blocking `webRequest`). This is a move away from a system that is unsafe in most cases to one that is more like what Apple has shipped.

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        4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 May 2019
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          There *are* open debates about various limits in the new declarative world. But saying "debates rage about the size of a number as tests to verify continue" isn't a great headline...soooo...

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        5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 May 2019
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          For sense of scale for those just joining, Apple limits the total number of rules in the Safari implementation to 50K (if I understand it correctly; doesn't seem documented). Chrome's proposal is 30K *per extension* with evaluation ongoing to raise it: https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/declarativeNetRequest#property-MAX_NUMBER_OF_RULES …

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        2. Brian Smith‏ @BRIAN_____ 30 May 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate

          1. With the new system, would uBlock Origin work as well as it does now? 2. What are the concrete security problems that v3 attempts to address? 3. What is the threat model that the designs are being evaluated against?

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 30 May 2019
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          1.) Depends on where the (evolving) design lands, but I want to say "probably" because I trust the team is listening 2.) Too many extensions can log too much of what you do 3.) Experience

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        1. Roman Rivers  🧯 🥀‏ @RomanOnARiver 2 Jun 2019
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          And I should point out Firefox's approach when they slashed legacy extensions was highly problematic for us as well, but they were apparently just following you whom are apparently just following Apple so that explains a lot. Still hampered by lack of certain extensions.

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        1. rektide de la fay‏ @rektide 30 May 2019
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          none of us out here have any conception of how big of a problem this is, or where you find this to be an issue. we dont' have any way to appreciate that this can help us. it feels like things are being taken away, & we have nothing but your word to tell us it's for our own good.

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