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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      This is literally begging for developer feedback via Origin Trials and WICG open process: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/forum/m/#!searchin/blink-dev/Isinputpending/blink-dev/ItkbDBevOrs …

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    2. Matthew Phillips‏ @matthewcp 9 May 2019
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      There's a GitHub linked above with some feedback but little response. This is also shifting the goalpost, the *design* of the API doesn't appear to have been done in the open (again, GitHub with little comments), it was done in private meetings between FB and Google.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      There is no immaculate conception for web APIs. The explainer is a request for collaboration and you can shape the future of the API by engaging on GH or OT. What is objectionable about that?

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      Lemmie try another way to describe what's going on here: Some customers (folks working on a heavily used framework) talked about a problem they had with receptive platform engineers. Together they sketched out a straw-person API...

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      ...then, they made the a doc to explain the problem and one possible solution and published it, asking for feedback is any constructive sort. Why? Because they could be wrong! It might not actually be the core problem (but rather, adjacent). It could also be the wrong design.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      Then, to try to understand of the design was good, they built a version based on what came out of that public debate...

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      That process can only really tell you if the thing is *implementable*, not if it solves an important problem in a good way. And BTW, standards committees can't determine that either!...

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      So, they are running an experiment to find out. And it's a *real experiment*. The thesis could be disproven! Has happened to a lot of OTs.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      This is in contrast to the old way of doing things where consensus was valued more highly than evidence. Doing design outside committee, running trials, getting feedback, and iterating are *just good feature design*. And the result should be confidence in the design.

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      ...and that confidence should be backed with data. Data that @yoavweiss and I and other Blink API OWNERS weigh when something is proposed to ship. It's a high bar!

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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      To clear it, the folks moving isInputPending forward will have to demonstrate that the feature has real value, not only that there was agreement in a conference room without any user (developer) feedback.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 9 May 2019
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          So if there's something bad or broken with the design, file issues! Speak up! The entire process has been radically reworked to ensure that feature developers *have* to take that feedback into account and that engaging has low barriers to entry.

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        3. Amelia Bellamy-Royds‏ @AmeliasBrain 9 May 2019
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          I can't comment on this specific API, but I agree with most of Alex's comments here. I do think one thing that would be helpful is a way of tracking proposals & status in a centralized place. Which used to be the working group issue trackers, but maybe could be a WICG thing.

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