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    1.  ⚡Klaxon‏ @passle_ 29 Apr 2019
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      I think SSR and lazy-loading are fair points yeah, but I'm always surprised (and this may be naively thought on my end) to see people use "WCs are missing framework features", because at its core, most frameworks also just offer a component model

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    2.  ⚡Klaxon‏ @passle_ 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @passle_ @rob_dodson and

      If you need state management, you'll still pull in some external state management lib (redux, mobx, whatever), if you need routing, you’ll still pull in a router. Most frameworks have a good router, but the router is not part of the framework.

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    3.  ⚡Klaxon‏ @passle_ 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @passle_ @rob_dodson and

       ⚡Klaxon Retweeted Maarten

      At the same time, I can do this with web components, too. So I'm very much in agreement with this sentiment: https://twitter.com/Maarteuh/status/1122875689751982080 … @Maarteuh (which I already believe to be the case for frameworks, too)

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      ssr I do miss, for the other things I believe in a future where frameworks will be less important because we'll use libraries to implement routing from lib A, state from lib B etc.
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    4.  ⚡Klaxon‏ @passle_ 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @passle_ @rob_dodson and

      Furthermore, I believe many people's problems with using web components as their app context is overusing shadow dom, and overusing web components; not *everything* needs shadowdom and not everything needs to be a web component

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    5. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @passle_ @treshugart and

      It's true they're not part of the frameworks, but they're often tailor made to work harmoniously and there's a big ecosystem of support. Almost everything is possible with WCs but it tends to be much more ad-hoc. I think it's much harder to scale that across a big team.

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    6. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      And I agree re: over use of shadow dom. That's kind of what started this whole discussion. If you want to program like you're using react, it almost makes sense to put everything in shadow dom, but that's actually _not_ what you want. And that's counterintuitive.

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    7. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @rob_dodson @passle_ and

      Otherwise you end up with a <my-app> that buries everything in shadow dom all the way down. I used to think (and teach) that's how it was supposed to be done but I think that may have been a mistake.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @rob_dodson @passle_ and

      I recall being somewhat horrified when I first saw the `<my-app>` thing w/ no light DOM. Still am, but was too.

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    9. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @passle_ and

      Yeah from the developer side it gave you what you wanted and rendered ok but ultimately feels like the wrong approach

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    10. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @rob_dodson @slightlylate and

      Why though? If it's truly an app does it matter? Do we want iOS and Android apps to render content to their (lacking)equivalent of light DOM? Put another way: Gmail isn't indexable, and if it were written as <g-mail></g-mail> it wouldn't matter.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @justinfagnani @rob_dodson and

      I think the "problem" here is that, like upgrades, it's a choice that other tools elide . They either don't have the flexibility to provide the benefits (so you're left cobbling things like CSS-in-JS together) or don't want to present the complexity up-front.

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        2. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 29 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @rob_dodson and

          Right. We get dinged for the choice because it's a complexity that frameworks push to later, and because we argue about the "right" choice :)

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @justinfagnani @rob_dodson and

          I think this argument only works "because SEO". Excited to see how that holds up for the folks offering it 😆

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