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    1. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      And I agree re: over use of shadow dom. That's kind of what started this whole discussion. If you want to program like you're using react, it almost makes sense to put everything in shadow dom, but that's actually _not_ what you want. And that's counterintuitive.

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    2. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      Otherwise you end up with a <my-app> that buries everything in shadow dom all the way down. I used to think (and teach) that's how it was supposed to be done but I think that may have been a mistake.

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    3. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 29 Apr 2019
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      The problem is the resultant split component models. React offers one, and that's what so many developers want. We're not going to get that far saying do web components in the client and php or wherever for the light DOM...

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    4. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 29 Apr 2019
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      A few might go that way, CMSes and uniquely places like GitHub, but the vast majority is moving to a model where they don't split development like that.

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    5. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 29 Apr 2019
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      Even if they did, there are issues around dynamically updating the light DOM parts. Who owns that content? Native elements don't modify their own light DOM, but someone's gotta do it in that model.

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    6. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      I'm not arguing against a single component model. I'm arguing that I dont think WCs quite provide one yet 😁

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    7.  ⚡Klaxon‏ @passle_ 29 Apr 2019
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      This is where you lost me — can you elaborate?

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    8. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @passle_ @justinfagnani and

      Yep. Similar to our side thread. I think folks want something that looks exactly like React but until we figure out how to do SSR where things get distributed in the right way and rehydrated correctly then I don't think we're quite there yet.

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    9. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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      In other words, I think folks want to build a my-app style experience (as they do with React) but doing that today in web components is fiddly. For one, you can't cram it all into shadow dom. So how do you lay out what goes inside my-app's light dom? Server templating?

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @rob_dodson @passle_ and

      Is this really just a distribution question? I.e., if a component wants to manage some light DOM below it, why can't it? Seems we provided all the tools.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 29 Apr 2019
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      There's an "ick" factor with a component tightly coupling the lifecycle of its children, but if that's what folks are doing anyhow, 🤷‍♂️

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        2. Rob Dodson‏ @rob_dodson 29 Apr 2019
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          I think it is possible. Is there a good example of SSR'ing LitElement where the top level element is a light dom rendering my-app thing?

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        3. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 29 Apr 2019
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          There will be :)

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