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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      I wasn't suggesting adding them to HTML; hoping instead for exactly what you're suggesting. The positioning logic is hard; we can make that easier. The rest should be straightforward.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      FWIW, the difficulty level in "adding something to HTML" and "adding a low-level API to enable userspace" isn't much different; but the impacts are massively divergent...which is why we wrotehttps://github.com/extensibleweb/manifesto …

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @groby @stubbornella and

      This is part of why the infrastructure we've built out for Web Components is so damned important, e.g. Constructable Stylesheets, `::part`, Form Participation, etc. etc. You can't build things up in userspace at reasonable cost until the platform spills its guts.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      ...so what we have today, is libraries doing FAR too much in userland, undercutting the platform's basic value proposition (lightweightness, ephemerality, ability to work at the low-end). Our developers are drowning the web in script because we didn't put the gas on WC infra.

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    7. Nicole Sullivan‏ @stubbornella 17 Apr 2019
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      I’ve never understood why WC are a panacea to bundle size issues... doesn’t feel like that logically follows.

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      They're not? But WC don't create an alternative JS-first universe where you can't rely on the platform for anything (and therefore don't). Look at all the legacy support code in the most popular tools; it's all redundant when you start from the modern platform. Pure tax.

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    9. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      A different frame: what cost is too high? It depends! If there aren't any public services and you don't get anything "for free", then you pay what you pay. If, OTOH, there's an easily-accessible, functional thing built-in, replicating in userland is suddenly "too expensive".

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      So are todays' successful frameworks "too expensive" from a 2011 perspective? Nope! Are they nonsensical from a 2019 perspective? You bet.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      Polymer shrinking between V1 and V2/3 and polyfills becoming *less* necessary for most users is such a great example of this: when the platform rises up to meet you, the effective tax rate goes down, instead of staying constant.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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          None of this would matter if CPUs were uniformly getting faster, but low-end mobile is *happening*, so tools grown in the NPM/latest-iPhone/2010-framework-assumption privilege bubble aren't working.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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          You can make messes with any toolchain. This isn't about absolutes; it's a probability distribution. And tools that come from the privilege bubble are *more likely* to hose users and teams.

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