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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Greg Whitworth‏ @gregwhitworth 15 Apr 2019
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      I look froward to your three page mail. @slightlylate and @domenic maybe @stubbornella and us should jump on a call some time. I'll be in town for Google I/O if you all want to chat as we're actively looking at this story.

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    2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @gregwhitworth @_zouhir and

      My colleague Hwi started looking into improved form controls last year after I banged on this gong for a little bit. The "easy" win is to improve the UX of the widgets we have; that's going to require a ton of research. More involved is better layering of existing stuff.

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    3. Victor‏ @vitimus1 16 Apr 2019
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      I was thinking about something similar like how every single page has tooltips which is a massive pain with tons of edge cases an perf implications for something so easy to implement wrong and at the same time are just fancy title attributes. Should I write a proposal WDYT?

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    4. Nicole Sullivan‏ @stubbornella 17 Apr 2019
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      @domenic this would be an interesting addition to html. @sebmarkbage, @acdlite, and @brian_d_vaughn were also telling us they had to do tons of extra layouts etc to position tooltips. Probably a missing API there.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @groby @stubbornella and

      I wasn't suggesting adding them to HTML; hoping instead for exactly what you're suggesting. The positioning logic is hard; we can make that easier. The rest should be straightforward.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      FWIW, the difficulty level in "adding something to HTML" and "adding a low-level API to enable userspace" isn't much different; but the impacts are massively divergent...which is why we wrotehttps://github.com/extensibleweb/manifesto …

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    10. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @groby @stubbornella and

      This is part of why the infrastructure we've built out for Web Components is so damned important, e.g. Constructable Stylesheets, `::part`, Form Participation, etc. etc. You can't build things up in userspace at reasonable cost until the platform spills its guts.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @groby and

      ...so what we have today, is libraries doing FAR too much in userland, undercutting the platform's basic value proposition (lightweightness, ephemerality, ability to work at the low-end). Our developers are drowning the web in script because we didn't put the gas on WC infra.

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        2. Nicole Sullivan‏ @stubbornella 17 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @groby and

          I’ve never understood why WC are a panacea to bundle size issues... doesn’t feel like that logically follows.

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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          They're not? But WC don't create an alternative JS-first universe where you can't rely on the platform for anything (and therefore don't). Look at all the legacy support code in the most popular tools; it's all redundant when you start from the modern platform. Pure tax.

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        2. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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          I have my sins to answer for -- we shouldn't have done V1 after others failed to engage through *years* of begging for V0 feedback -- but anything we do now that isn't setting limits on userland JS or providing tools to render it less necessary are bugs in our priorities

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 17 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @groby and

          (and given what I'm seeing in traces today, the first is more necessary than the second)

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        1. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 17 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @groby and

          The tooltip libraries I've seen are *shockingly* big. Adding extensible tooltips/popovers that can be styled would be such a huge win 💯

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