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    1. Zouhir ⚡‏ @_zouhir 15 Apr 2019
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      Disagree🙅‍♀️ with matching OS styles because the web has the power to look and be consistent on all OSs. Agree😃 on the need for better controls. I have been making websites for long time and now work on a browser and still need to check CSS tricks on how to style checkboxes.

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    2. Zouhir ⚡‏ @_zouhir 15 Apr 2019
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      Tho checkbox is a tiny problem - over the weekend I was inspecting the Twitter web client compose dialogue and the amount of work the devs had to do to make a slightly advanced text area with mentions and hashtags work is massive I'm writing @gregwhitworth a 3 page email rn.

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    3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @_zouhir @domenic @gregwhitworth

      Generalising slightly from this, OS (rather than design system) coherence is something apps aspire to when they're tiny in terms of use. When they get big, they get to train users rather than the other way around.

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    4. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      I'm sure someone at Apple will still defend the lack of SD standardisation/customisation for select because they get to insert their magic dial thing which is OS consistent. But let's be real: it's a bad UI.

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    5. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @_zouhir and

      Hard to navigate, requires lots of high-precision movement to use well, scales to other form factors terribly. OS consistency, at the limit, is only as good as the OS paradigms, and they are often cast in amber while software marches forward.

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    6. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      So the web should both reject slavish OS consistency (how much pain have we caused for <button> styling to defend this turf?) as well as the notion that browser provided impls are hallowed. They're just (badly layered) code that happens to be cheap.

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    7. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      The real calling is to expose the guts: make all the infra that browsers ship for themselves but not for developers available on equal footing. Open the damned thing up

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    8. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @_zouhir and

      The benefit here, in case it isn't clear, is to undercut the usual arguments against customisation (which are real): that userspace components are bad at a11y, heavyweight, etc. They don't *have* to be, but we force that by keeping <input> a welded-shut disaster

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    9. Greg Whitworth‏ @gregwhitworth 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @slightlylate @_zouhir @domenic

      agreed - I have a high level doc that goes over this. We're assessing the overall impact and team priorities at the moment, but if we do decide to tackle this I'd value your input. And yes, the story on the web for controls currently sucks, but it doesn't have to :)

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    10. Dave Rupert‏ @davatron5000 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @gregwhitworth @slightlylate and

      Developer and User Needs: <tabs> element <accordion> element <dialog> element (but good) <tooltip> element <input type="toggle">

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @davatron5000 @gregwhitworth and

      Have you written up what's not working with <dialog> somewhere?

      10:53 AM - 15 Apr 2019
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        2. Eric Bailey‏ @ericwbailey 15 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @slightlylate @davatron5000 and

          @scottohara has a good writeup here: https://www.scottohara.me/blog/2019/03/05/open-dialog.html …

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        3. Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 15 Apr 2019
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          Replying to @ericwbailey @davatron5000 and

          Some of this sounds fixable by impls, some of it is JAWS/NVDA/TalkBack needing to improve (as the VoiceOver test shows), and most of it is down to other browsers just not implementing. Do I have that right?

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