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Chrome Project 🐡 & Web Standards TL; Blink API OWNER Named PWAs w/ @phae; probably making her ☕ DMs open. Tweets my own; press@google.com for official comms.

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    1. Adam Rackis‏ @AdamRackis 5 Apr 2019
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      You said "The modern approach appears to be to spend years patching every hole with JS without thinking about how that might make its way into standards and into browsers" which seemed to imply you had some problem with it. I'm just wondering what other way even exists.

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    2. Rhy Moore‏ @morewry 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @AdamRackis @justinfagnani and

      There is, but not "better than JS" per se. The modifiers are critical. "Years" and "without thinking about how that might make its way into browsers." Think of maintaining a CSS in JS library for years without having even a strawman pitch for a new CSS feature or a DOM API.

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    3. Rhy Moore‏ @morewry 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @morewry @AdamRackis and

      (Unless the DOM API results in effectively eliminating CSS or the strawman pitch is to JS to standardize embedding CSS in JS.)

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    4. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @morewry @AdamRackis and

      @morewry is getting at a critical principle for how our teams design libraries: We have to empathize with the platform, specs, and standards bodies, then attempt to predict the future in which the library isn't necessary anymore and design the library to be compatible with *that*

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    5. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @justinfagnani @morewry and

      It's very hard and very imperfect, but still leads to better long-term outcomes. It's also important to engage standards and make proposals early so we don't languish in userland-only solutions for far too long.

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    6. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @justinfagnani @morewry and

      Node really should have done this with CommonJS, and I particularly wish more Webpack loaders were written with this in mind. Some of the CSS loaders for instance do things that a spec would never do, making them a barrier to modernizing the platform, rather than helping.

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    7. jason quense‏ @monasticpanic 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @justinfagnani @morewry and

      Node sure. but I feel completely at a lose as an avg dev making libraries to help build products, on how to find the _years_ needed to shephard some idea through a web standards body. No lib starts off being heavily used, the investment up front seems infeasible

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    8. Rhy Moore‏ @morewry 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @monasticpanic @justinfagnani and

      Sounds very true to me. What I'm advocating is practicing platform thinking for the benefits it has for you and your projects. Participating in standards and successfully standardizing a specification is a whole 'nother mountain to climb. I've never done it and I'm afraid of it.

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    9. Justin Fagnani‏ @justinfagnani 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @morewry @monasticpanic and

      You're both right. It takes a lot of time and energy, but you shouldn't be afraid of it. The groups I've participated in have been very open to both newcomers and users, especially users. It's also quite easy to propose ideas to most groups via GitHub issues these days.

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    10. Rhy Moore‏ @morewry 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @justinfagnani @monasticpanic and

      True! I got the impression is that the migration of some W3C stuff to GitHub was an intentional step to make that easier and more accessible--an attempt to meet the web development community where they are.

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      Alex Russell‏ @slightlylate 5 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @morewry @justinfagnani and

      Yep. Very intentional for exactly those reasons.

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